CMI Cancelled

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Originally Posted By: jrivera
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I don’t think this will split the ranks. As with many other industries, you get hired for a job, you can either take more classes and tests for a promotional position or stay where you are.

You get hired as a firefighter and then you can advance to maybe a pump operator after you've demonstrated your qualifications, you can study and take the promotional test for Lt.

You start in the mailroom and by demonstrating a certain aptitude/ maybe eagerness you may start moving up the ladder toward CEO.

The point being, the more you learn-the more you can earn. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. I'm sure many of you tell your children to learn as much as they can and you want them to hustle and be better than you are and then you want their kids to be even better than them. It's all about advancing yourself to a higher level and not leaving anyone behind.

Just like you need to be one step ahead of your conpetition. Remember, the early bird gets the worm.

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Originally Posted By: dduffy
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pcarter wrote:

Sorry, this is not why I joined NACHI in the first place. Okay, let me have it 

Patrick, you hit it right on the money. My impression of Bill telling everyone about this new idea instead of someone from NACHI is the fact he said:

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Unlike previous messages, the CMI is not just a test. It requires a course and (advanced program) then a test.

We all know Bill is in the school business and stated the application packets would soon be available and after the individuals completed all this non-sense, their applications would be reviewed. I wonder what all this exactly means in dollars and cents toward schools which would be involved. I'll bet it's going to be very profitable.

In my opinion, this will probably be the beginnging of the end of NACHI. The association will divide, arguments will begin, kaos will evolve.

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Originally Posted By: jrivera
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If that’s the case, you guys should consider opening up a school.

Obviously THAT is where the real money can be made and not just schlepping up and down a ladder.

Because if I could I would, I think anybody who has a school geared towards H.I.'s and any related fields would find themselves in a good position $$$ wise

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Originally Posted By: pcarter
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Sorry, I don’t think you need to go to a school to get your CMI designation. That’s really ranks up there with A**I and the way they think to get your bucks with very little in return except look at me and my logo. Any type of master designation I achieved in my past work life, I had to gain the experience and take a “PROCTORED” test from a very reliable training facility or the actual manufacturer. After a Pass was given on my test. They the authorites, that pass their hand over my head and deemed me deservingly, gave me a Master Status Certification. The only thing it brought was additional headaches when people found out I had it. Nope, don’t see the need for it and especially the schooling just for a CMI. Don’t need it, except to decorate my office wall with another piece of paper saying something that doesnt feed the mouths in my family. My current experience, knowledge and reputation is doing that very well at this time and will continue to so if I dedicate myself to keeping trained (annual membership CEU requirement) and doing a great job for my clients.

Sorry, you still have a lot of convincing to do and some very good reasons why.

Okay, you can let me have it again 

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Originally Posted By: pabernathy
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Hmmm…What the hey…I will chime in…

Firstly, I think the CMI might have good intentions but I do see it turning alot of members off. In my opinion it only serves to try and get members to pay for additional classes and training and taking money out of the members pocket when if the member is getting 24 CE credits a year anyway ( more than A**I and N**I anyway ) that I would think most NACHI members are worthy of CMI statues anyway...just for continueing the education.

Second, Sure I hold (2) trade master licenses....the Electrical one did only one thing...allowed me to be a electrical contractor versus just being a normal electrician....and that was State Proctored.

Now...with that said.....I have come to believe that probably the biggest tool in the inspection field today is I guess to get state certified as that does get thrown up in your face alot even if your state does not require it.

So with CMI...you are going to tell a guy who passed his state exam which in all cases is closed book that he has to attend another 15 hours or more classes to just place CMI beside his name....hmmm...Just my opinion ( we all have them ) but I think it will have a hard time making it fly straight.....

The whole lure of NACHI to many members was not being placed in a CLASS status...( ie: candidate, member, apprentice and what have you ) as in NACHI all members are equal and your performance is what stands out.

Now....lets see...in the last 2 months I have done over 79 hours of continuing edcation myself...Documented classes and spend more than probably $ 2,000 to broaden my education even more. I speak in countless seminars on Electricity and so on......( yep i do get paid for those so it is a trade off ) but here is the thing.....I personally do not feel CMI behind my name does anything ......just creates revenue for the education providers to want to offer the class and charge the fee.....how more advanced can it be than what 98% of the members are doing today anyway.

Hmmm...I probably should creep back down to the Electrical forum where I probably belong but just had to give my comments on the CMI....good luck to Nick and everyone who is for this.....me personally I could care less...

BTW......This is-----Paul Abernathy,CME,RMS,CDT,CMG and I think I have atleast 2 more I have forgotten...lol

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Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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As with everything else, there will be common ground.

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Originally Posted By: cmccann
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Does it really matter what any of us think or say? Get real!

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Originally Posted By: pabernathy
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Chuck…I dont have to GET REAL…I am a member and I have an opinion and I expressed it…

OK......I edited this because I had not had my coffee yet and I woke up reading the board and developed a CHIP on my shoulder...Bump..Bump..Bump...

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Originally Posted By: gbell
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Paul,

I think Chuck meant that it doesn't matter what the membership thinks. This is a done deal and has been for some time. The membership opinions have no weight with this subject.

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Originally Posted By: pabernathy
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Ahhh…thanks for explaining that in a bit more detail…

I just happen to wake up this morning with a CHIP on my shoulder so thanks for explaining that.......BUMP...BUMP....

Well I just wanted to explain in my opinion ( which is only an opinion ) that to me and many members it really does not matter. I could be a member of any of them...A**I, N**I and you name it....I choose NACHI for a reason and if it starts to go the direction I do not like I will just move on...

Was an inspector before NACHI and will be after so I think my opinion is that I have plenty of titles behind my name they dont put money in my wallet..( well the master electrician one does...lol ) but regardless I was not downing the CMI process...I was only giving my opinion on it for what it is worth....

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Originally Posted By: bsmith
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The CMI designation may or may not be meaningless (to me it’s an “eye of the beholder” thing). I think that it’s true value is that it encourages continuing education.

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Originally Posted By: jdavis
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I first became aware of the Certified Master Inspector designation when I read the article in the December Inspector’s Quarterly. I was under the impression that it was a proctored exam and would serve to halt the criticism from other home inspector organizations about the NACHI “online exam”.

The full page article fails to say anything about a required course from an independent school that must be completed prior to taking the exam.

I agree with those who say this will fracture and divide the membership. This designation coupled with an independent school has a very bad smell and should be abandoned by NACHI immediately.

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Originally Posted By: bmerrell
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I don’t believe it is set in stone, but it is planned for 3 days prio to the convention. Orginally 4 days, but 3 days was settled upon-

I am not marketing it but Best Inspectors Network has posted it: web site is

http://www.bestinspectors.net

I am sure within the next 3-5 days it will be announced directly with the actual price, time sequence, schedule, etc. If you have any questions, please contact George Wells as Best Inspectors network at the web site above!

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Originally Posted By: jhagarty
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jfarsetta wrote:

As with everything else, there will be common ground.

bmerrell wrote:

I don't believe it is set in stone, but it is planned for 3 days prio to the convention. Orginally 4 days, but 3 days was settled upon- I am not marketing it but Best Inspectors Network has posted it: web site is http://www.bestinspectors.net I am sure within the next 3-5 days it will be announced directly with the actual price, time sequence, schedule, etc. If you have any questions, please contact George Wells as Best Inspectors network at the web site above!

Is NACHI now selling CMI Titles for $1050?

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Originally Posted By: bmerrell
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I sure as heck hope not! It is my understanding the price will be $ 495 including books, materials and the CMI Final examination. I just checked George Wells site and it is clearly listed as such. It also states that experience and education is required. NACHI staff must confer the designation to any NACHI members. That is not up to the course instructor.

This is the web site Nick posted 2 months ago when the CMI was announced.

George Wells and Nick originally worked on it, and a committee was formed.
I helped to formulate the outline, which was as a result of multiple meeting over multiple days with Deanna (NACHI), Len Ungar, Myself, Tom Lauhan, George Wells and Joe Ferry.

I will let Nick make the official announcements for this event in Florida, and I am sure that if there is a seminar posting, it was not finalized, and it will be modified to reflect the views to the CMI Committee and Nick.

Have a good evening

     

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Originally Posted By: rdawes
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Is NACHI now selling CMI Titles for $1050?

Well someone is certainly selling CMI Titles aren't they.

The ending line says "This is a NACHI CMI Board approved course. "

We have a CMI Board now? Who is that?

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Originally Posted By: bkelly1
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Is this another FOLLOW THE MONEY DEALS?

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Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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Ben,

No, it is not a follow the money deal.

As Bill correctly states, the program is not cast in stone. The "CMI Board" is not actually a board, nor permanent committee within NACHI. Its purpose and focus was as a working group, set in action to explore this program and its viability.

More is going into this effort than what was discussed during those workgroup meetings. There are legal and logistical issues, which are being worked out as we speak. The long-range goal is to make this program available to those interested in it, while not penalizing those who choose not to participate.

Just as with Realtors, there are designations which may, or may not, follow an Agent's name on their business card. These designations represent educational experience, certifications, and or qualifications. In this example, the Agent has no more clout within NAR than the next person. Agents build their individual business based upon the needs of their particular market. The same is true for Home Inspectors. CMI is a registered trademark of NACHI, just as certain designations are registered trademarks of NAR.

Instead of criticizing the program, let's wait and see what it develops into. So long as it doesnt create a second tiew of Inspectors within this organization (which it will not), everyone should relax. If you are interested in it, fine. If you are not, that's fine too.

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Originally Posted By: rdawes
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Joe,

I can understand your position and desire to stem the criticism until the program is fully developed.

However, perhaps you should contact the training firms and ask them to hold on their announcements until the program is finalized and can be presented in a complete and well defined manner. The only information coming out of late has been from them. Obviously they make money on training. So far all of their announcements have been flawed in one way or another according to you. For this to succeed the launch should be carefully crafted and well presented. The haphazard announcements by the trainers does cause quite a bit of confusion.

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Originally Posted By: bmerrell
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I don’t see the confusion.

Joe F explained this was going to be a type of "beta test" in Orlando. Fl.

George Wells posted it on his site with Nicks approval to see what the response would be.

I put it on the message board to explain the work of the appointed committee. Not a Board, but CMI Committee, appointed by Nick to put together parameters for a CMI Comprehensive program.

What is confusing is the fact that before the committee, there was discussion of a simple exam, and then a designation. I know nothing of this at present, and I know some members simply want to take an exam. That was not the intent of the designation. It should require experience, education and a test, then NACHI staff will determine if the individual has met the qualifications to be issued a CMI designation.

George Well's web site explains it efficiently. If anyone is interested in attending the course, you should contact NACHI staff. The room size, speakers, etc. will all be determined based upon the number of attendees.

I am not offering a CMI course at present. I volunteered my time regarding the NACHI CMI Committee. I, like many of you, volunteered time to try and help to get a project off the ground.

To date the outline is compete, the course is scheduled and the exam for the course has been written. I don't see where there is any confusion, other than it is not an entrance exam as was considered months or years ago. As Joe said, having or not having a CMI does not change your status in NACHI.

Those who believe it will benefit their careers will consider it. Those who don't think it has merit will decide against it. It really is a non issue for NACHI members who don't want it. It is a marketing tool, which other organizations have benefited from. Designations which are verifed, and require education, experience and testing and deemed viable in many industries.

I hope the CMI is given the chance at success. I believe it will help inspectors achieve higher goals, and serve as a marketing tool to show their added education and willingness to attend coursework and take additional tests.

Time will be the test of designations in general.

But one thing I do know is that George Wells has posted the cost of the class as $ 495 including books and the exam, not $ 1000+. George has multiple courses other than the CMI course. The CMI course does not automatically make you a CMI. It is one of the requirements. Read George Wells notice on his web site for more information.

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