Originally Posted By: jhagarty
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Bill:
The Course was listed last evening as $1050.
Today the Website reflects a price reduction of $595 and $495.
What will be the cost tomorrow?
Bill:
The Course was listed last evening as $1050.
Today the Website reflects a price reduction of $595 and $495.
What will be the cost tomorrow?
Originally Posted By: mboyett
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| But one thing I do know is that George Wells has posted the cost of the class as $ 495 including books and the exam, not $ 1000+. George has multiple courses other than the CMI course. The CMI course does not automatically make you a CMI. It is one of the requirements. Read George Wells notice on his web site for more information.
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Originally Posted By: jhagarty
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Last Night you could buy a CMI title for $1050
Today the cost is only $495.
Originally Posted By: bmerrell
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I am sure it could have said anything. I know what the committee discussed. I know what price was suggested. I know that it was to include books and the CMI test at the end of the course.
As I said, it may have been an error, a typo, or anything for that matter. I do not host other school's web sites. I don;t know if it was changed, when it was changes or if it was ever changed. I know that I always refresh when I see a site to make sure it is the most recent information contained. I know it will be 3 days and the cost is set for NACHI members at $ 495.00.
No decision has been made as to who will teach the course either. I know Joe Ferry will give a legal education presentation and Nick will give a marketing education presentation, but other dates and times are open to the committee's discussion. I have told all committee members who want to teach, I would only fill in if there was a conflict. That's all.
It is posted on the web site. Those who are interested will consider it. Those who don't want to become CMI designated will not sign up. It's actually a simple process. If the web site makes it look like you pay and get a designation, I will e-mail George Wells to have that fixed. I looked at it and it never said a CMI would be conferred. NACHI staff must confer the CMI Designation as was discussed at the committee meeting.
Beta testing and works in progress are always fun.
If you are interested in the CMI course and test, either contact George Wells at his web site or NACHI staff.
Have a great weekend.
Originally Posted By: bkelly1
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No decision has been made as to who will teach the course either. I know Joe Ferry will give a legal education presentation and Nick will give a marketing education presentation, but other dates and times are open to the committee's discussion. I have told all committee members who want to teach, I would only fill in if there was a conflict. That's all. . |
I hope that there are some educational benefits. Marketing and legal are extras that should come after inspection education.
One need not market until one can inspect good.
One doesn't need legal as much if one does inspect good.
Both are important but in no way make a Certified Master Inspector. I know there will be more, but why advertise when you don't know who, or when. Seems the cart is going before the horse here.
It does make it sound like the cmi designation is purchased.
Originally Posted By: bmerrell
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http://www.bestinspectors.net/
The information about it can be obtained here. George Wells can answer any question a potential student may have. Those who want it will consider it. Those not interested, won't bother with it.
If there are enough registrants it will run just before the convention
http://www.bestinspectors.net/
Originally Posted By: dduffy
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| Last Night you could buy a CMI title for $1050
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I just cannot understand for the life of me how someone would possibly think having a manufactured logo after your name could make any difference in the world regarding the qualifications of someone in the inspection business.
Like I said before, using Arizona as an example, home inspectors are Certified by the state.....does anyone who calls ask if we are Certified..nope...maybe one out of two hundred calls one person asks if your Licensed in Arizona.
Does anyone ask if we belong to any associations....nope...never been asked...so I never had to explain to anyone ever, that I do belong to an association....If someday I do get asked, I can tell them about the message board I guess, and all the good information which is shared between both members and non-members of NACHI, period.
I must be missing something here, or the fact Arizona is a licensed state everybody who calls knows this already...so they don't ask.
But then again 95% of my clients are from out of state...so again I must be missing something....hmmmm
Reading this board, I wonder how many people think they would get asked what CMI stands for...or how they would market this title.
I can just hear it now....well I went to school and spent a whole lot of money after I took a test in which everyone doing inspections should be able to pass in order to do inspections....but other members of NACHI just don't have the money to get the logo, or they are much too busy doing inspections without it...
I wonder what poeple would say to clients asking questions of the sort...if anyone did ever ask.
Originally Posted By: bkelly1
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IF nachi is the "gold standard " and “premier inspection association” why does one need a cmi designation. Is “nachi” losing its draw ?
My thinking, it is to get a marketing edge from one nachi inspector over another. Therefore eventually making everyone get the designation. (if it worked) If that happened someone would be making money. 
Originally Posted By: rbunzel
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I looked over Nick’s CMI announcement and noticed that out of the attendees 2 worked for Nick (Joe and Dianna) 3 had a financial interest (Tom, Bill and George) and the member hosting the meeting (Len). I don’t really think that represents the members or the education committee. Why have a education committee when they are not asked to participate on important issue such as this? Its obvious that Nick is trying to either ramrod this down the memberships throat or take a more zen like approach of the flowing stream (the stream continues to push until a weak point lets it through).
If the membership doesn't want it, why does it keep coming up? Why doesn't the MAB address this?
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Pacific Crest Inspections
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Originally Posted By: John Bowman
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Don't contact me, I don't know s#!t.
Is this Beta test class that will cost someone anywhere between 450.00 to a thousand plus being held at the convention? It's not on the schedule and no class rooms have been assigned for it.
Or did I read that the classes are actually before the convention and then Nick was going to release it at the convention. Damn am I confused.
Who is the staff that is going to determine if someone qualifies. Deanna is the only one that I see that has attended meetings or knows anything about this.
Originally Posted By: pabernathy
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Will be a cold day in H@LL before I pay that to BUY a CMI behind my name…starting to look like all the other groups…What happened to " we do not use labels like candidates and so on"…if you start labeling CMI’s just where does that leave your CORE members…at a lower class view of the existing program.
Ok....so you also said something about limiting new members....because of the rapid growth...how about this novel idea....Grandfather all existing members to CMI level........
So we took the exam to join, many of us have taken and passed the national home inspectors exam..........just exactly what more can you instill in me to give me the title of Certified Master Inspector...when in VA alone you can't use the term Certified unless you are State Certified...so would be a total waste to someone like me..
Just my opinion......sounds more to me like a increase revenue program
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Originally Posted By: bkelly1
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| I don't really think that represents the members or the education committee. Why have a education committee when they are not asked to participate on important issue such as this?
If the membership doesn't want it, why does it keep coming up? Why doesn't the MAB address this? |
Originally Posted By: bkelly1
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Just my opinion......sounds more to me like a increase revenue program |
Originally Posted By: bkelly1
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   Don't contact me, I don't know <b>s#!t</b>. Is this Beta test class that will cost someone anywhere between 450.00 to a thousand plus being held at the convention? It's not on the schedule and no class rooms have been assigned for it. Or did I read that the classes are actually before the convention and then Nick was going to release it at the convention. Damn am I confused. Who is the staff that is going to determine if someone qualifies. Deanna is the only one that I see that has attended meetings or knows anything about this. |
If John is out of the loop, then most everyone is. INTERESTING
Originally Posted By: rbennett
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Real simple
If it makes a ROI then do it -- if not then don't
The professional degs that have been noted for realitors, doctors, etc. and how they make more $$ does not float.
The $$ to degs - titles conection does not take into the picture that some people will make more $$ regardless of their titles not because of them.
PHD's are good at teaching and make more money that someone with a masters but are thay a better teacher??
An inspector makes good $$ not because of something behind his or her name but because of marketing and the job that he or she does.
Just ask RR and some of the other HI's out there. (RR is probably an average inspector but somewhat of a good business person - some of the inspectors on his staff might even be better that he is)
A lot of us are doing OK and we might not have 25 plus years of exp. and years of education. In some cases we are better instructors than the ones at the schools.
Perhaps to be an instructor in the CMI program one must be a CMI first
How about that??
The CMI program will only work if HI's go for the title -- If know one goes for it then it will go by the way side
rlb
Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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Education should be made available to everyone at a modent price. George Wells will not be the sole instructor, nor have the sole school.
The program is under development. CMI is a registered trademark of this association. It will have a value for a large number of inspectors. Of that, there is little doubt.
Like I said, let's wait and see.
Richards assertion that a designation after ones name being of little value is simply not true. It works in the RE community. It also means that that person has taken some courses to achieve the designation they are now legally entitled to use.
The program will be of interest to some, and of little interest to others.
Originally Posted By: gwells
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The CMI course had been posted on the BestInspectors.Net web site at $1050 but was changed to the lower price, as some have pointed out. The original price was based on the fact that BestInsepctors.Net had originally planned to have a 40 hour class in Orlando and the price was set based on the original plan.
After the CMI committee formed a plan for the beta CMI course, the posted price changed to reflect new plan. For those among you who believe that this was a profit making venture for the trainers, I can assure it that it was not. Bill Merrell, I, and others offered to donate our time. NACHI would have covered only a portion of our expenses.
Also, the course was to have been conducted by instructors from three training organizations who have no businesses affiliations with one another, Len Unger (Long Island Chapter President), Joe Ferry, and Nick Gromicko. Each participant was to do segments in areas where they have the greatest expertise. CMI or no CMI, the course would have been a very good educational experience.
Originally Posted By: gwells
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The most common NACHI criticism I hear is that anyone can take the NACHI exam. It is neither proctored nor audited so it is easy to cheat. Even though the great majority of NACHI members may have taken the exam seriously and had no assistance with the exam, its value in the marketplace is diminished if it is perceived to be one that does not adhere to standards similar to those of other organizations.
The CMI program corrects that perceived flaw in our system. There are many reasons for either supporting or opposing a program. The proctored exam is one of the reasons that I support the CMI program.
The CMI committee tried to devise a program that would make the CMI fair and accessible to anyone interested in pursuing it yet, at the same time; it establishes a higher level of professionalism than exists anywhere else in this industry. The program, as we see it, is not a clone of what other organizations have. It is far superior. Unlike other organizations, whose goal it seems, is to exclude qualified inspectors, our goal was to provide an open and fair avenue to a certification that will be respected by other professionals.
Many of us were drawn to NACHI in the first place because it is an organization that has much to offer and does not attempt to exclude or classify inspectors. Our challenge now, as an organization, is to raise the standard and do it in such a way that we do not alter, or deviate from, the core philosophies that have made NACHI the preeminent home inspector?s trade association.
The CMI is our opportunity to achieve those goals; but, only if it is done in such a way that the majority of NACHI members support it. Obviously, it is not a good program if it does not take into account the needs and interests of the majority.
I agree with the opinions of many of those who are opposed to the CMI, yet I remain in very much favor of it. It is not that the CMI is inherently flawed. It could very well be that our implementation of it could be flawed. If we remain focused on what is best for the members, collectively and as individuals, and we remain true to the core NACHI philosophies, there is no reason that we can?t develop a program that is in fact good for the members both collectively and individually.
Originally Posted By: mboyett
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Originally Posted By: gwells
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Michael,
They are two different things. However, I envision the CMI as being something that the majority of inspectors will want to have, in part, because it has a proctored exam. Unlike certification from other home inspector trade associations, the NACHI CMI will be fair and reasonable. It will be accessible to all home inspectors.
The primary goals of other home inspector trade associations seem to be to keep closed ranks, to keep qualified inspectors from being properly recognized and to generate income. Such is not the case with NACHI and certainly will not be the case with the CMI.