Actually I did read the post…you are making yourself look bad by disagreeing with me in the first place…we both agree on the same thing however you are the one who said
after I clearly stated, based upon our SOP’s (and my experience in framing), that unless it has an adverse effect on the habitability of the house (which we both agree it doesn’t) then there is no need to write it up (document it in any section of the report…not just the summary page)…however if an inspector who does not have that much experience with this type of framing (which clearly the original poster doesn’t hence the need for the question in the first place) then they would be fine to bring it to the owners attention for further evaluation because they are simply not sure based upon their own experience…which is what I was pointing out in other posts.
And if one wants to get technical about it, for an inspector to decided what to report based upon others opinion especially an internet forum (for whom he can not validated their expertise in the area in question) would be doing a disservice to the client…Lord knows opinions are diverse around here at times…which is why if any inspector has concerns about a component or system he should direct the client to further investigate the matter from a licensed professional in that field.
There was really no need for you to respond to my post in the first place (or last) in a contradictory or negative fashion, yet because you did is why I backed up my position with our SOP’s and my experience…take a chill pill my friend…its all good…
I see your just another ignorant liberal who will not admit when their wrong (which is 99% of the time)…how about next time if you don’t know how to read or worse, you don’t know what your talking about simply do not address my post.
PS. I really don’t care about your family life…besides I didn’t know it was legal to marry siblings…to each his own… warm regards…idiot.
I’m glad to see so many inspectors saying that if the building has stood the test of time it should not even be considered to be put in the report in the 1st Pl.
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[FONT=Tahoma][size=2]Who cares what it’s called, who cares what it is supposed to do, who cares what it is compared to construction standards today! If your state law does not say you must report the lack of roofing members, there is no reason to discuss them unless there is a deficiency associated with such lack of roofing members.[/size][/FONT]
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Precisely…from both a builders and home inspector standpoint I have seen inspector reports that report things that are inconsequential…which often times causes the client to ask even more questions.
An home inspection report should give an accurate, brief but concise condition of the home…with any deficiencies being documented including implications and direction on who to contact (if you down have the knowledge yourself) for further investigation or the need to resolve same.
To see inspection reports filled with “further investigation warranted by a licensed (fill in the blank)” on the most basic of items makes the inspector look like an incompetent fool.
It is for this very reason that North Carolina has for the last several years being doing CE classes on report writing…all because inspectors are either reporting on crap that need not be reported on or they are not clearly addressing legitimate problem nor giving their clients the information they need in making an intelligent decision about one of the most expensive investments they will undertake.
You truly are a moron…we both agree that there is no need to write document the absence of collar ties…and yet you feel the need to disagree with me and worse call me an “Idiot”…I was respectful the whole time up until then…and now your thin skinned sorry arse is offended my statements…you are such a weenie…if you are going to escalate a disagreement while at the same time being disrespectful (which is what you did by calling me an idiot) than don’t be surprised when you get a crap load of it back.
Up until that point I see it as simply a misunderstanding…however because you no doubt realized you over spoke or assumed more into my statement you felt the need to escalate the conversation to the point so that it looks like your know what your talking about.
Again if you actually read my post then you would never had responded in the first place yet alone with some asinine statement about “report only what you see” crap (which I kept quite about so as not to make you look like so many other parrot inspectors)…any moron can report what they see…there are inspectors out here who actually know what they are talking about…some have even been building and inspecting homes for decades…they know WHAT to report and HOW to report it…it would do you good to take a reading and comprehension class as well…and spend a little more time in the report writing section too. And thank you for not responding to any of my post…if you would have taken your own advice in the first place, yet alone calling me an idiot, we would not be having this conversation.
Get a life and try to find other things to do instead of boring people with your anger issues. They do freely distribute meds for your anger issues. SEEK HELP…Please.
You are the one and only individual who is now placed on my “IGNORE” feature.
I apologize to everyone (involved in this thread) for getting off topic with my unprofessional comments. I just can’t stand this guy…he makes my skin crawl.
This individual obviously has issues and needs to resolve them in other ways (meds, psychiatry appointment, shrink, etc). I hope his Valentine (whatever it may be) will adjust his attitude a bit, overnight.
Again, I’m sorry. Now we can get back on topic with the “no collar tie” question.
It is POSSIBLE that steel anchor straps were installed over the peaks of the rafter pairs, which would serve the same function as collar ties. The anchor straps would only be visible under very close inspection of the area btween the rafters and the sheathing near the peak, if visible at all.
Rafter framing without a ridge was a common practice many years ago, and there are many houses, apparently including the one under discussion, which have functioned very well for decades with this type of roof framing. Ideally, anchor straps or collar ties would have been installed, but both were not always done.
It’s all good…I can’t help it that David decided to take Joey’s place in being a jackass…it was all good until he (like Joey) has to resort to name calling and then gets offended when he gets dished the same crap back. :roll:
No… I don’t expect any link exchanges however he is more than welcome to visit here…I think they can help…if not then he can try this one.
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PS.
It’s actually nice not hearing from Joey although he could not resist emailing me for no other reason than to tell me has secret feelings for me…is there such a thing as sexual harassment via email…:mrgreen:
A 1970’s house this week had 1X8 shiplap collar ties, 2X4 rafters, and a 2X4 ridgeboard. No problem. Not permitted to submit pics, sorry.
What was odd were four 2X4 struts knocked in between the 2X6 ceiling joists and the ridgeboard. They were pounded in along the length of the attic at slight opposing angles and not nailed. I think they were temporary supports left over from the day the ridge was put up. I had to describe this to my client so he won’t panic when he goes up into the attic himself.
Let me first preface my statements by admitting I am not an engineer…I have been building homes since around 1980 and have probably framed well over 500 home from Ohio to Va. to NC…I have also designed my own spec homes of which at times bring engineers into the picture when I have any questions about the loads being distributed properly. (strangely enough, the times I did have to make changes were because of uplift)
As one of the other members stated, collar ties are to help with uplift issues…when a roof sags its not because of lack of collar ties but because loads (causing compression or tension) are not accounted for.
I personally like stick framing myself because you can be more creative, allowing you to do more with your loads and often with less money…that and most framers do not properly install trusses or brace them in accordance with the manufacturer instructions…many inspectors are only looking for a hand full of things when looking at a truss roof system however one could easily spend an hour or more looking at the roof system alone…structural and electrical issues can get costly if not caught.
Anyway if you do experience a sagging roof the fix is usually to properly distribute the forces that are causing the sagging…collar ties will do very little for that problem nor is it necessarily adequate to sister a rafter of similar size to existing rafters in question…this is when you call for a structural engineer to further evaluate the problem and leave it up to them. The fixes that I have done for engineers usually are not that expensive…most the time its installing interior supports that help carry some of the loads back to a load bearing wall that has proper support at the foundation. (Which is also why I inspect a crawl space last…I take a mental picture of the roof system and any interior loads and with that taken into account I then feel comfortable when I’m under a crawlspace)
Let me also say that if an inspector recommends for an engineer to evaluate same, an inspector should NOT inspect that work… I have had agents get upset with me because I refused to do a re-inspection on work performed at the direction of an engineer…if it’s an engineer’s design then they the only ones who should inspect it.
I can’t imagine that collar ties experience much of a load either way unless the connection between rafters and ridge fails. About the only thing that’s going to cause those connections to fail is a tornado or hurricane, and in that case, I doubt collar ties are going to save the roof anyway.
I don’t know about the question mark. Ben Gromicko might be able to answer that. ben@internachi.org
