If you connect the plumbing, and it does not create children, then your missing the mark.
Our society is also making room for the man-boy society. The inch is turning into the mile.
Everyone said it would never happen, but our rebellion against common sense will be
our reward.
God gets blamed for everything, but God gave us the laws of nature to protect us from
our self. He knows without him, we are fully capable of destroying ourselves and our
family in a few short generations, with that thing we call intelligent thinking.
“I am positive that throughout history there were more eloquent words delivered by better silvered-tongued conservatives than you extolling the virtues of slavery, male only voting & separate but equal, then add to that the supposed “will of the people” to keep in place the status quo and in the end it didn’t amount to a hill of beans. Because, slavery ended, women were granted the vote and separate but equal went the way of the dodo.”
Actually, if you know history, you would realize that Christianity had the lead in the push, worldwide, to abolish slavery. If you don’t like to read, see the DVD “Amazing Grace” which chronicles the efforts in England. Same with American abolitionists. In any case, Brazil did not abolish slavery until 50 years after the U.S. and some Sudan and other Islamic countries did not abolish until the 1970s.
Also, Chrstianity had a big part in Sufferage and the Civil Rights movement.
But, as usual, history (at least that which the general public knows) gets re-written by those who want to slam Christianity.
As you your arguement, which seem to be one only of ineviatability, I, sadly, agree.
And it is not just Christians that are losing their constitutional rights.
Wedding photographer who simply tried to refuse the business of filming a homosexual union ceremony. Fined
Church who refused to rent a sea side gazebo to a homosexual couple for their ceremony (not a religious thing, just a simple renting of secular church property). Fined.
E-harmony, a faith based matchmaker service. Didn’t allow homosexual pairing. Fined and forced to change their business model.
It is NOT about equal rights, under the law, it is about having all of society accept them as normal.
Guess people don’t like to have a mirror held up to them.
I thought this time we agreed to thresh out this subject without draging Christianity into the picture, since that is no longer the case then I share that there are many Christians who have no problem with gays being equal and the movement can only grow.
I am forced to agree with my astute nemesis that in the end Christianity will once again play a pivotal role in helping to secure equality for gay people just as it has done in the past for women & blacks. The gay Christian movement within organized religion is in it’s infancy but is growing exponentially and will continue throughout the world until it’s cause is fulfilled.
You would think that if open homosexuality was truly an abomination God in his infinite wisdom would at least keep it out of the churches & synagogues wouldn’t you?
Eventually Christians come around to doing the right thing. Look at Will’s example of slavery, after 1300 to 1400 years of Christian acceptance and practice, they went against the Bible and decided it was wrong.
9Or do you not know that the unrighteousa] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:(A) neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,**(http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Cor%20%206:9-10;&version=47;#fen-ESV-28460b)] 10nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Hermeneutic discourse is above my pay grade, you will have to figure it out for yourself. The good news is it shouldn’t be that hard since the way has already been illuminated by many others who have gone on before you. Many denominations are ordaining openly gay priests & bishops already, no doubt changes will begin to move swiftly throughout all organized religions. To help you on your journey I have listed some areas for you to study but in the end it is something you will have to deal with on your own.
That only proves that you can attempt to make the bible say whatever you want if you try hard enough.
All your links coming form gaychurch.org are unassailable, right?:roll:
You have to ignore a lot of rules of context and pretend your presuppositional bias has no effect on your “interpretation” to come up with that chicanery.
They don’t have to. As Brian clearly explained, Christians get to go against the Bible and do whatever they want anyway. Also, you’re forgetting the great factor…tithing. Once the church realizes that there are indeed hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of gay people, they’ll smell that green coming like Catholic priests smell little boy’s underwear.
It must be a full moon but I couldn’t agree more with your assessment and the logic you used to come to your decision.
Everyone is faced with the same challenge, the question really comes down to what is more important in your life the static written word of the Bible or the living word written on your heart?
I contend that those religious folks who look past sexual orientation do so because they are following the dictates of the living word that springs fresh daily and not the letter of the law which serves only to condemn. Moreover these same open minded Christians are following the example of Christ’s life and not the interpretation of Jewish law by the Apostle Paul, how else could such a movement have taken hold and flourished within Christianity?
