Drone hits aircraft in Quebec:

Drone hits commercial aircraft in Quebec: Garneau** **Published Sunday, October 15, 2017 11:46AM EDT
Skyjet flightheading to Quebec City’s Jean Lesage International Airport was struck by adrone on Oct. 12, said Minister of Transport Marc Garneau.
Emergency measures wereimmediately put in place and the plane was able to land safely, according toFrench media reports. No injuries were reported.
“This is the first timea drone has hit a commercial aircraft in Canada and I am extremely relievedthat the aircraft only sustained minor damage and was able to land safely,”Garneau said in a statement released on Sunday](https://www.canada.ca/en/transport-canada/news/2017/10/statement_by_ministeroftransportaboutadroneincidentwithapassenge.html).

Transport Canada advises](http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/opssvs/flying-drone-safely-legally.html) that drones should be flown below 90metres and at least 5.5 kilometres away from any airport, seaplane base orareas where aircraft take-off and land.
Thursday’s collisionreportedly happened about three kilometres from the airport at an altitude of450 metres.
“Transport Canada ismonitoring the situation and is in contact with its transportation partnersincluding Skyjet, the Jean Lesage International Airport and NAV CANADA. Mydepartment is in contact with the Service de police de la Ville de Québec andwe will cooperate with the Transportation Safety Board should they decide toinvestigate,” Garneau said.
Garneau introduced interim safety measures](http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/mediaroom/interim-order-respecting-use-model-aircraft.html) regarding drone flights earlier thisyear, which restrict where recreational drones can be flown.
“I would like to reminddrone operators that endangering the safety of an aircraft is extremelydangerous and a serious offence,” he said.
Penalties for violatingthese safety measures](http://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/transport-canada-eliminates-rules-on-flying-drones-near-buildings-and-animals-1.3501659) include fines of up to $25,000 and possibleface jail time.
Anyone who wishes tooperate a drone is required to follow the Canadian Aviation Regulations](http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/acts-regulations/regulations-sor96-433.htm).
There have been 1,596drone incidents reported in 2017, of which 131 were deemed an “aviation safetyconcern,” Garneau said in the statement.


University ofCalgary study shows drone misuse on the rise.

drone misuse on the rise

In 2016 there were 174 sightingsand close encounters reported, which means drones are dangerously close toaircraft once every second day in Canada

Geographydoctoral student Paul Nesbit has led a study on how the proliferation of dronesin Canadian airspace is causing new safety concerns.
Do you have a drone? Do you knowhow and where you’re allowed to use it?
A Universityof Calgary study shows hobbyists aren’t behaving well, or legally, when itcomes to flying their crafts. Between 2005 and 2016, 355 drone incidents werereported in Canadian airspaces and 22 per cent of them were categorized asclose encounters with aircraft.
Looking atthe sightings, which are stored on the Transport Canada Civil Aviation DailyOccurrence Reporting System (CADORs) database, researchers were able to showthat the highest number of incidents are in British Columbia, followed by Ontario,Quebec, Alberta, and Manitoba.
“Drone usehas skyrocketed, and with that comes news potential safety concerns,” saidgeography doctoral student Paul Nesbit, who led the study, along withco-authors associate professor Chris Hugenholtz and research associate ThomasBarchyn. “The spike in incidents seems to correlate with the proliferation ofconsumer drone technology, which is affordable and requires virtually notraining to operate.”
Hugenholzsaid what’s alarming is that in 2016 alone, they saw 174 sightings and closeencounters reported, which is once every second day.
What’s moreis UAV pilots are taking their trips higher than the regulated 400 footairspace ceiling. Hugenholz said 24 per cent of the incidents, which arelargely reported by aviation professionals, were travelling at more than 3,000feet.
“Themajority are flying well above the limit they’re supposed to be operating at,”he said. “These aren’t professional drone operators who know and adhere toTransport Canada rules…these are people pushing the envelope.”
Withoutenhanced regulations Hugenholtz and his team believe it will only get worse.But it’s not all doom and gloom; he says they’ve come up with a few conceptsTransport Canada could implement.
“There’s a combination of things,” Hugenholtz said. “There’s an education piecethat has to keep going.”
One concepthis team pitched was to require a simple course completion before the GPScomponent on the drone is activated, another included embedding a geo-fencingcomponent to control where

Just me, and just saying…but why would a home inspector need to have UAV at much more than 100-200 feet above the ground?

They would not in my opinion .But I think the public and the government could treat all those with drones the same way .
I think home Inspectors with Drones will be a very small group.

Also just me and just saying:

This would not be a case of a Home Inspector but rather more than likely a recreational user who thought it a good idea to try to “race” or “fly along” with a real airplane: Yes, some are definitely “challenged” and can’t be bothered to think how their actions affect others.

Anyone who uses the drone for their professional needs is subject to the SFOC requirements. Anyone using a drone as a recreational user is also required to get the SFOC when in a controlled airspace or within the minimum distance form ANY aerodrome/airport.

Maybe the good 'ol TC-dudes should consider holding the stores/sellers responsible for ensuring their customers are advised of the rules. The location I acquired a drone at had no idea there were so many regulations in place… And we are within the control area of many airports starting with Pearson…


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I was thinking of buying another drone after my first drone committed suicide 2 years ago for envelope and roof inspections. I decided against it until I can see this technology being beneficial to my business financially.

Form Transport Canada’s website
Rules for recreational drones.
If you fly your drone for fun and it weighs more than 250 g and up to 35 kg, you do not need special permission from Transport Canada to fly.

The list below is an overview of the new rules for recreational drone users. Consult the Interim Order Respecting the Use of Model Aircraft for the full list of provisions. You are exempt from these rules if you operate your recreational drone at a Model Aeronautics Association of Canada (MAAC) sanctioned field or event.

Following the basic safety rules below will help keep people, aircraft and property safe. If you fly where you are not allowed or choose not to follow the rules below, you could face fines of up to $3,000.

Except you have to operate at a set distance from an airport control area and aerodromes. As listed on the same website.

Moot point since using a drone for home inspections is not in the “Recreational” class and are subject to very much more stringent rules, such as getting the required SFOC.

Much reading here .
Let’s talk drones

To fly for work you need a SFOC which you can read about inthere rules.
You need to pass a Ground School, hold a RadioLicence have 100,000 insurance, a spotter with you, a radio with you to contactor monitor all air related broadcasts, have filed for a sfoc before theflight, surveyed the area before the flight , needs to be in a remotearea , and it goes on and on and on.
Also the sfoc can take up to 2 months to get eachtime until you get a Blanket sfoc.

What stops a drone from flying if RC contact and control is lost?

Explain how Pat? You think as a business person I would not use my drone for recreational purposes?
Point is not moot. Think realistically.
Major cities have airports scattered all around.
No Drone Zone signageis available in various format to interested airports, parks and municipalities who would like to post signage around the perimeter of their property or event.

Hi Erik!

The more expensive units have a “return home” function if the signal is lost.
This function should be set and tested but who can guarantee what the operator will do…

Except you are totally wrong!

  • I choose to operate my drone in both functions: business-Commercial UAV Pilot Certification and many other requirements. Recreational - MAAC operator, eligible for exemption.

  • I also build, fly and operate a great many deals of airplanes and have for many decades.

Yes, airports/aerodromes are scattered around major cities - This doesn’t change the regulations or give you the option to choose how to interpret.
Re-read the TC regulations you provided the link for: The drone (Biz/Rec) MUST be flown outside of restricted or controlled airspace AND other aerodromes (please look up the definitions as there are many guidelines).

Nevertheless, the regulations are set to be modified once again, where licenses will be required for recreational and business. This was part of another thread posted last week. https://www.nachi.org/forum/f48/3-days-left-respond-new-uav-proposals-125006/

What you or others decide to do is up to you and if you choose to try to beat the system, good luck.


UAV manufacturer condemns unsafe drone use after planehit in Quebec
Published Monday, October 16, 2017 12:14PM EDT
A major global drone manufacturer is condemning “any unsafe operation of drones,” after an unmanned aerial vehicle struck a passenger plane over Quebec City last week.
DJI, a Chinese technology company, said in a statement Monday](http://www.dji.com/newsroom/news/dji-statement-on-report-of-plane-striking-drone-in-quebec) that it “stands ready to assist” Canadian aviation authorities as they investigate the Oct. 12 incident.
Transport Minister Marc Garneau told reporters on Sunday that a small Skyjet plane was struck by adrone as it approached Quebec City’s Jean Lesage airport. The plane was still able to land safely, and no injuries were reported among the eight people aboard.

This Friday, Sept. 6, 2013, file photo shows adrone at a testing site in Lincoln, Neb. (AP Photo/Nati Harnik, File)
It was the first recorded incident of a drone hitting a plane in Canada.
In its statement, DJI saidit’s unaware whether any of its drones were involved. Transport Canada did notsay what type of drone hit the plane.
DJI said its drones are programmed by default to fly no higher than 120 metres and the company’s“ geo fencing” system restricts its products from flying over Quebec Cityairport.
“Millions of drones are used safely and responsibly around the world for business, agriculture and enjoyment,” the company said. “DJI absolutely condemns any unsafe operation of drones and urges all drone pilots to understand and obey the laws and regulations in their jurisdiction.”
One Canadian expert said itwas only a matter of time before a drone collided with a plane.
“This has unfortunately….been waiting to happen just due to volume of UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicles) that are flying around illegally in Canada in airspace with users that don’t know what they’re doing,” Sterling Cripps, president and chief instructor ofCanadian Unmanned, told CTV News Channel Monday.
“This could have been catastrophic…it could have caused a tremendous disaster.”
Transport Canada is working onregulations for the UAV industry and has issued a series of interim safety measures](https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/opssvs/flying-drone-safely-legally.html). It is illegal to fly are creational drone within 5.5 kilometres of an airport and 1.8 kilometres of aheliport without special permission.
Anyone who is found to have endangered the safety of an aircraft could face a $25,000 fine or prison time.
Garneau said Sunday that the rules to be introduced in 2018 would include testing for drone pilots,mandatory identification of drones and an age limit for drone use.
DJI has previously said that it’s disappointed by Canada’s draft drone regulations](https://www.dropbox.com/s/ndfldl749kp5ubk/DJI%20Comments%20on%20Draft%20Regulations%20Amending%20the%20Canadian%20Aviation%20Regulat…pdf?dl=0), saying they would“ significantly limit safe and responsible drone use.”

To get to the other side?

Pat maybe one day you will learn how to have a conversation other than attacking members.

No use having a discussion with you.

“Nevertheless, the regulations are set to be modified once again, where licenses will be required for recreational and business. This was part of another thread posted last week. https://www.nachi.org/forum/f48/3-da...posals-125006/

As there was no attack intended or occurring in any way, it appears you are yet again trying to cause trouble… You asked questions and made statements which were answered and you didn’t like.

Sad to see you are indeed the one who is not capable of being challenged in a conversation. We can only hope you are not intending to destroy yet another thread with this insane back and forth.

Rules for recreational drones
Recreational and non-recreational drone operations - Frequently Asked Questions.
Non-recreational users (e.g. commercial users) are required to obtain a Special Flight Operations Certificate (SFOC) to operate under one of two exemptions: (http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/opssvs/getting-permission-fly-drone.html)
Recreational users (i.e. modelers) are required to operate according to the terms of the Interim Order (IO): http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/mediaroom/interim-order-respecting-use-model-aircraft.html
**Recreational users who are members of the Model Aeronautics Association of Canada **(MAAC) are exempted from the conditions of the Interim Order as long as they comply with MAAC operating rules and fly at MAAC sanctioned sites / events.

Just to follow up on your attack by quoting me," What you or others decide to do is up to you and if you choose to try to beat the system, good luck".

Read it Pat.

It is not up to me to decide how rules imply to me or not. Rules are rules.
Consequences amount to the injured, killed their families and friends.
As for the offender, Consequences are only known if or when they are caught, and unfortunately will never equal the harm or recover the loss.

Sorry for the edits.
Pat, give it a break please.

You need to grow up!

If you think someone having an opinion different than yours is an attack, get help. You made comments to which I replied and now because it exposed something you don’t like, you claim foul.

Sad to see how you are grabbing at any possible straw to try to cause trouble…

Shameful on your part really. There for all to see.