First cedar roof

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#1

Originally Posted By: pdacey
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Inspected my first cedar roof yesterday. Original roof on house, 20 years old. I’ve installed cedar roofs before but was never this close and personal with an older one. I think the pictures will speak for themselves. The last two were purposely taken without a flash to show the daylight shining through.



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Patrick Dacey
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#2

Originally Posted By: ssmith3
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Those last 2 look just like the ones I took here. House had orginal cedar and 2 layers of asphalt. I posted them a while back on the photo gallery.

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#3

Originally Posted By: dbowers
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Looks typical for a wood shingle roof of 20 years of age.

#4

Originally Posted By: kmcmahon
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Funny…I don’t see any pictures taken from the vantage point of the peak nachi_sarcasm.gif


Too scary was it?

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#5

Originally Posted By: evandeven
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I guess they last longer in Texas.


If maintained, you can get 20-30 years, but not many people change the damaged shingles on a yearly basis. Once the underlayment is exposed, it is all over. They don’t use them much anymore down here. There is an area (Coral Springs) where the development used those roofs.


Ten years after they were built, everyone had to get new roofs. Fortunately, they were mounted on plywood and everyone got tile roofs to replace the shake roofs.

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#6

Originally Posted By: pdacey
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kmcmahon wrote:
Funny...I don't see any pictures taken from the vantage point of the peak ![nachi_sarcasm.gif](upload://6HQh6KbNiD73gqTNQInjrR2zeJw.gif)

Too scary was it?


Too steep and too wet. We had about 3" of rain that morning.

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#7

Originally Posted By: pdacey
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dbowers wrote:
Looks typical for a wood shingle roof of 20 years of age.


Dan,

Would you have recommended replacement?

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Patrick Dacey
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#8

Originally Posted By: dbowers
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Kevin -


When you see a wood roof that brittle, (a) you'd be stupid to walk it. Its dangerous and you can break every other shingle you step on (then the seller tries to say you did a good part of the damage). (b) Walking its not needed - you know you need major repair or replacement from the ground & that you're gonna recommend that a competent roofer evaluate it - then repair or replace as needed. (c) You know that a typical wood shingle roof has an avewrage life-span of 14-22 years - YOU'RE THERE or REAL CLOSE. (d) Once you saw what you were dealing with, you're wasting YOUR OWN TIME and EVERYBODY ELSES TIME - if you don't move on to something else in the inspection process.

Patrick -

Rule-of-thumb in our area (we're a huge wood shake or shingle market) is that if 30-35% of the roof is damaged you're better replacing it.

In many areas (we're one) the major insurance carriers will want their own guy to look at a wood roof over 10-12 years of age - they'll often decline to cover it or heavily pro-rate it.

Dan Bowers, CRI

#9

Originally Posted By: jpeck
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dbowers wrote:
Looks typical for a wood shingle roof of 20 years of age.


I agree.

If they lasted that long here.

That roof is not IN need of replacement, it is PAST need of replacement. LONG past need of replacement.

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Jerry Peck
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#10

Originally Posted By: pdacey
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jpeck wrote:
it is PAST need of replacement. LONG past need of replacement.


That's how I wrote it up, well not exactly in those words. ![icon_smile.gif](upload://b6iczyK1ETUUqRUc4PAkX83GF2O.gif)

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Patrick Dacey
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#11

Originally Posted By: tdove
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That roof needs replacement. icon_smile.gif

#12

Originally Posted By: Vince Santos
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pdacey wrote:
jpeck wrote:
it is PAST need of replacement. LONG past need of replacement.


That's how I wrote it up, well not exactly in those words. ![icon_smile.gif](upload://b6iczyK1ETUUqRUc4PAkX83GF2O.gif)


Im curious as to whether there was any water damage found inside the home.

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#13

Originally Posted By: pdacey
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Vince,


Surprisingly there was none. And we had about 3" of rain the night before into that morning. I told the client that just because there wasn't any sign of leakage didn't mean the roof was good to go. He understood.

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Patrick Dacey
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#14

Originally Posted By: Roger Petersen
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Old cedar roofs of days gone by would last for 50 years if installed correctly. The new cedar shingles of today are altered to grow rapidly and don’t have the integrity nor do they last long.

#15

Originally Posted By: jhagarty
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Much of the wood shingle today is not the same as years past. There are various grades of wood Shingles and Shakes.


http://www.cwc.ca/design/building_science/external_barriers/grades.php

http://www.toolbase.org/docs/SubsystemNav/ExteriorWalls/4446_woodshakes.pdf

http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/finlines/knaeb98d.pdf

The key to the life expectancy of a Wood Shingle and/or Shake roof is the maintenance that is given to a roof.

A Wood shingle roof is rarely maintained as recommended resulting in a shorter life expectancy.

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#16

Originally Posted By: ccoombs
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My parents got 43 years out of theirs. But in Southern California we get more sun than rain/snow. My dad was very good about doing yearly maintenance. He has had more trouble with the new comp. roof (it is now 10 years old).


It could be a major issue changing from wood shingles to tile. Major structural issues due to the additional weight. Again, may be more of an issue in CA due to earthquakes and no snow load.