ssadeghi
(Saman Sadeghi)
March 11, 2021, 6:11pm
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I found this image online and thought it was interesting! These are called “Witches Stairs”. Allegedly, witches can’t climb up them. Inspectors in the New England area, have you run into these on your travels?
EDIT: Here’s the link to the relevant section in the IRC if anyone is interested: IRC R311.7.11
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jspencer
(Jeff Spencer)
March 11, 2021, 6:34pm
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I’ve seen two.
The first time was from my HVAC days. Had to take the air handler up the stairs. It was as awkward as you would imagine.
The second time was on an inspection. The buyer had no intentions to use them regularly as it went to the attic.
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rkenney
(Robert (Bob) Kenney, CMI® MD Lic.# 31044)
March 11, 2021, 7:30pm
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Witches have brooms. Why would they need to walk those stupid stairs?
Posts shared in early March 2021 claim that alternate-tread staircases are called “Witches Stairs,” allegedly built with the belief that “witches can’t climb up them.” This claim is false, as alternate-tread stairs are simply intended to save space,...
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bcawhern1
(Brian Cawhern, CMI)
March 11, 2021, 7:48pm
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Pretty ingenious, a way to maintain depth and rise on a steep stair case.
Thanks for the article!
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lkage
(Larry Kage, CMI)
March 11, 2021, 7:53pm
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Those stairs are a potential safety hazard and would be narrated as such…IMHO
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ssadeghi
(Saman Sadeghi)
March 11, 2021, 10:05pm
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Larry, I would think so too.
I was curious and looked up " Alternating tread stairs" in the IRC. Here’s the link if anyone is interested: IRC R311.7.11
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msenty
(Michael Senty)
March 11, 2021, 10:13pm
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Here’s a rendition I’ve seen around here, more than once, often accessing a loft area where inadequate space was available for a stair design that was IRC compliant. They do work, and are better than a ladder, but handrails are essential, and you need to get used to them. The tread material in this design must be a laminated material, not just plain boards. I’ve seen the tread extension broken:
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rkenney
(Robert (Bob) Kenney, CMI® MD Lic.# 31044)
March 11, 2021, 10:21pm
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Dumb design. We have them on ships without the tread extension and they work just fine.
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tglaze
(Thomas Glaze)
March 11, 2021, 10:25pm
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Yep! Have a friend that had these in her home leading to a converted attic loft. Total pain in the ass to negotiate and as @lkage stated, I would address them as a safety hazard.
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dwigger
(David Wigger, CMI, Retired)
March 11, 2021, 10:53pm
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Never seen them before. I sure wouldn’t want to try them out after a few adult beverages!
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tglaze
(Thomas Glaze)
March 11, 2021, 11:01pm
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Come on Dave, it’s adventure like rock climbing when sober. (Like I’ve done that…rock climbing period)…
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lkage
(Larry Kage, CMI)
March 12, 2021, 12:26am
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ssadeghi:
Larry, I would think so too.
I was curious and looked up " Alternating tread stairs" in the IRC. Here’s the link if anyone is interested: IRC R311.7.11
Thanks for the link Saman.
Not being a code inspector, code or not, it would go into my report as a potential safety hazard.
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ssadeghi
(Saman Sadeghi)
March 12, 2021, 3:21pm
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I definitely agree!
I shared the link for anyone who was curious.
mrodney
(Michael Rodney)
March 12, 2021, 3:44pm
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Yes! Safety hazard for witches.
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ryoung7
(ROBERT YOUNG, CMI)
March 12, 2021, 4:44pm
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rdean7
(Ronald Dean)
March 13, 2021, 10:59pm
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I haven’t seen these but I’ve seen the Witches Crook in a chimney. It twists up in the attic before the
roof terminal. So the witches could not come down your chimney.
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rkenney
(Robert (Bob) Kenney, CMI® MD Lic.# 31044)
March 13, 2021, 11:01pm
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Those homes didn’t get Santa Clause either!
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mgoldenberg
(Marc Goldenberg, Inspector # HI1365)
March 13, 2021, 11:03pm
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After many years, you may know by now… … …
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