Technically and probably legally speaking, WETT certification only is not for wood burning fireplaces and other masonry items. That is the domain of the certified bricklayer (mason). There is some crossover from WETT inspectors into the masonry field as they are usually the ones to use chimney inspection cameras. The best is to have certification in both fields.
And not have to pay their own inspectors!!! Again, WETT certification does not cover gas inspections; that is the job of a certified gasfitter.
Brian Like everything else I have seen some big blunders by so called WETT certified inspectors. Most render opinions on fireplace chimneys without sweeping.
Like to stay and chat, Wand Raymond. Just taking a break from a litigation report that I promised to emaileby 2:00 this PM and then have an inspection at 4:00. Be back on late tonight though!
Raymond,
You made a good point here. If you cannot see it, how can you say it is safe to use?
I did an inspection the other week and the seller was supopsed to provide the WETT inspection. The agent told me they had their inspector look at it and he had okayed everything and was dropping the paper off at her office the next day. The wood stove had a metal chimney that had 3/4 inch of creosote insde it. The masonry fireplace had a metal insert for a liner. It was warped and split in two places. Someone had put some kind of cement over the split areas. I advised the agent as well as the buyer this firebox should be replaced before use. The agent told me the inspector said “some would recomend replacing it, but they had used the right kind of cement to repair it, and this cement would recertify the firebox, and it could be used.”
I left her and told the buyer this unit could not be considered as certified and needed to be replaced for safety and not to use it untill they replaced it.
I knew the buyer would not listen to me, so I showed him where I wrote my recomendations on the report and left it with them.
A chimney sweep I know had the same issue with this company. They advised on a wood stove and chimney that was full of creosote. When the sweep cleaned it he took pictures of the hole and advised them to replace the entire unit.
The buyer complained to the inspection company who then sent a letter to the sweep demanding he stop telling the client the equipment should be replaced. The sweep called the lawyer and sent him the pictures. Two weeks later the client called advising the inspection company replaced the stove and chimney.
WETT should have a complaint department to rectify the inspectors who only inspect for money,,,, not for safety.
Personally I am a WETT certified inspector as well hold a journeyman ticket for masonry, and built about a thousand fireplaces. I am fully qualified to look at all types solid fuel appliances.
David:
Although there is no formal “complaint dept”, you can lodge a complaint against a certified individual simply by sending a letter to WETT headquarters or the local WETT chapter. WETT will have to respond a complaint or they start losing credibility with insurance companies and Fire Marshall’s offices who presently respect and recommend WETT certifed companies.
During my period when I was more involved with WETT as both a national and local chapter board member, we dealt with a few complaints. The results of one issue in Ontario was shocking to the individual as we pulled his WETT certification for 2 year after which he had to re-take all the courses again and pass all exams! I was told he lost about 1/2 of his work during that period. There is no sense in having a respected designation if you are not going to uphold a high standard of workmanship and professional practice. In the above case, the indiviual compromised both items.
I routinely point to WETT as a better example of how to run an organization. Although not perfect and it’s had real tough times when it almost folded, it seems to have risen above all and survived. The daily workings are run by a professional company that specializes in running smaller orgs like WETT who cannot afford to hire fulltime staff, etc. The folks in the office have no personal interest, conflicts with, or political aspirations in WETT and the wood heating industry so personalities and personl financial ineterests don’t enter into or interfere with the day-to-day workings. We did have to change the managing comany during my terms but WETT has been with the current firm for 9-10 years now. As our local HI chapter grows here, I have suggested regularly that we move to that operational format so members are freed from keeping the books and controlling the financial records, etc in their homes. Sometimes they don’t have the time to keep everything current and we have to trust that everything is on the up and up.
David:
Although there is no formal “complaint dept”, you can lodge a complaint against a certified individual simply by sending a letter to WETT headquarters or the local WETT chapter. WETT will have to respond a complaint or they start losing credibility with insurance companies and Fire Marshall’s offices who presently respect and recommend WETT certifed companies.
During my period when I was more involved with WETT as both a national and local chapter board member, we dealt with a few complaints. The results of one issue in Ontario was shocking to the individual as we pulled his WETT certification for 2 year after which he had to re-take all the courses again and pass all exams! I was told he lost about 1/2 of his work during that period. There is no sense in having a respected designation if you are not going to uphold a high standard of workmanship and professional practice. In the above case, the individual compromised both items.
I routinely point to WETT as a better example of how to run an organization. Although not perfect and it’s had real tough times when it almost folded, it seems to have risen above all and survived. The daily workings are run by a professional company that specializes in running smaller orgs like WETT who cannot afford to hire fulltime staff, etc. The folks in the office have no personal interest, conflicts with, or political aspirations in WETT and the wood heating industry so personalities and personal financial interests don’t enter into or interfere with the day-to-day workings. We did have to change the managing comany during my terms but WETT has been with the current firm for 9-10 years now. As our local HI chapter grows here, I have suggested regularly that we move to that operational format so members are freed from keeping the books and controlling the financial records, etc in their homes. Sometimes they don’t have the time to keep everything current and we have to trust that everything is on the up and up.
David and or Brian, Does WETT have a set of bylaws, and procedures in place for audits, and discipline?
Now you’re asking me to remember 10+ years ago. If I remember there were no bylaws but weak policy statements. I didn’t deal with the mentioned case directly…Ont WETT org did in consultation with national. I believe it was also the first time a WETT certification was taken from someone.
WETT does have a standardize inspection form that can be used, but that decision in relation to the inspection report (not a certification) is left up to the inspector. What is used as a “standard” is called the “reference manual wood energy technical training” this is the building code reference manual, along with this is a reference book B365-01 installation code for solid fuel burning appliances and equipment
What is basically reported in the report is in relation to the installation of the appliance or equipment, and if it is installed to “code” or does not meet the code installation,
In relation to if an appliance is certification or non-certified, a certified appliance has an identification “manufacturers” label on the appliance, no label on appliance will id the appliance as non-certified", but just because an appliance is not certified, it can still pass as long as the appliance meets the installation requirements for a non-certified appliance.
in relation to the chimney inspections and their condition, myself when a call comes in for a booking, I advise that the chimney be cleaned out before hand, and the appliance not be in use, and at room temperature, if the clean out is not possible due to a short closing… then I inspect the appliance accordingly and also in the report I state my limitation to the inspection of the chimney due to non cleaning, and state that the appliance should not be used until the chimney has been cleaned out and properly inspected.
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In Romania we don’t have WETT or NACHI!
Give it up Raymond Wand. Chris has allready identified your address and you will be deleted soon.
In Romania we don’t have assholes, they are all over here!
The “Romanian A$shole” has been identified as RAYMOND WAND OF CALEDON, ONTARIO, CANADA
I will provide a link to his website if he continues this BS.
Here is the link to his website, you can all decide if you want a gooffy guy like this to inspect your next property.
http://www.raymondwand.ca/leftframe.htm
The “Romanian A$shole” has been identified as RAYMOND WAND OF CALEDON, ONTARIO, CANADA
I will provide a link to his website if he continues this BS.
Here is the link to his website, you can all decide if you want a gooffy guy like this to inspect your next property.
http://www.raymondwand.ca/leftframe.htm
Raymond Wand Home Inspection Service
Since 1991
519-942-9496
About RWHIS
http://www.raymondwand.ca/jpg/ray.jpg
Raymond Wand provides professional residential inspection services to buyers and sellers throughout Caledon, Wellington, Halton, Dufferin, and Peel Counties in Ontario, Canada.
As the principal inspector, Raymond has earned his reputation as a professional in the home inspection field by providing effective quality service. Raymond has conducted over two-thousand inspections for satisfied clients from Canada, including some of Canada’s top CEO’s, as well as corporate and private relocations for clients from the U.S.A., England, Germany, and France. The company has been operating full time locally since 1991. At RWHIS, business is derived exclusively from reputation, referrals and repeat clients.
QUALITY, SERVICE, ETHICS AND INTEGRITY
Raymond has a background in building and property management as well as construction and repair. He has extensively renovated several of his own homes, including the historic 1849 stone-grist mill in Hillsburgh, Ontario. Currently he owns a picturesque, forty-acre farm located on Shaws Creek in Alton and has lived in the area for over 20 years,experience and local knowledge that have helped make RWHIS the preferred choice amongst astute clients.
It has often been said the quality of any company can best be judged by the quality of its people. Raymond will gladly be judged by the quality of his service.
C****AVEAT EMPTOR
It is your right to know about the condition of a property you are about to purchase.
Consider making a home inspection a pre-condition of your Offer To Purchase.
Alternatively if you are about to sell, consider a pre-listing inspection.
ETHICS
[size=3]• Raymond does not give or solicit referral fees of any kind •
• Concentrating on one inspection at a time •
• Pride in the accuracy of each inspection •
• Prompt, courteous, honest, and reliable service •• Focus on quality not quantity •[/size]
And I am always on time!
The “Romanian A$shole” has been identified as RAYMOND WAND OF CALEDON, ONTARIO, CANADA
He has been expelled from NACHI for ethics violations.
Here is the link to his website, you can all decide if you want a gooffy guy like this to inspect your next property.
http://www.raymondwand.ca/leftframe.htm
Raymond Wand Home Inspection Service
Since 1991
519-942-9496
About RWHIS
http://www.raymondwand.ca/jpg/ray.jpg
Raymond Wand provides professional residential inspection services to buyers and sellers throughout Caledon, Wellington, Halton, Dufferin, and Peel Counties in Ontario, Canada.
As the principal inspector, Raymond has earned his reputation as a professional in the home inspection field by providing effective quality service. Raymond has conducted over two-thousand inspections for satisfied clients from Canada, including some of Canada’s top CEO’s, as well as corporate and private relocations for clients from the U.S.A., England, Germany, and France. The company has been operating full time locally since 1991. At RWHIS, business is derived exclusively from reputation, referrals and repeat clients.
QUALITY, SERVICE, ETHICS AND INTEGRITY
Raymond has a background in building and property management as well as construction and repair. He has extensively renovated several of his own homes, including the historic 1849 stone-grist mill in Hillsburgh, Ontario. Currently he owns a picturesque, forty-acre farm located on Shaws Creek in Alton and has lived in the area for over 20 years,experience and local knowledge that have helped make RWHIS the preferred choice amongst astute clients.
It has often been said the quality of any company can best be judged by the quality of its people. Raymond will gladly be judged by the quality of his service.
C****AVEAT EMPTOR
It is your right to know about the condition of a property you are about to purchase.
Consider making a home inspection a pre-condition of your Offer To Purchase.
Alternatively if you are about to sell, consider a pre-listing inspection.
ETHICS [size=3]• Raymond does not give or solicit referral fees of any kind •
• Concentrating on one inspection at a time •
• Pride in the accuracy of each inspection •
• Prompt, courteous, honest, and reliable service •• Focus on quality not quantity •[/size] And I am always on time!
Reposted from another forum.
My real name is Raymond Wand, from Home Inspection Services. I give Blow Jobs to any dissatisfied clients. I also offer baby sitting services [boy’s only] to all clients.
I have been expelled from NACHI, ASHI and OAHI for ethics violations. I serve on the Heritage Committee of the Town of Caledon [my days are numbered with the town] as of today. I pray that Mario doesn’t follow through with his promise and e-mail the committee. There is a women on the committee that I like, and she has a small child [a boy] and I’m hoping that they will live with me on my farm.
I would like to apologize to all NACHI members for my recent and past posts on this MB.
I promise it will not happen again. Please forgive me.
Regards
Raymond Wand
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Raymond Wand Home Inspection Service
Since 1991
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**RAYMOND WAND YOUR IP ADDRESS GAVE YOU AWAY!#-o **
Are you still angry for bing kicked out of NACHI?
I am surprised!
I thought that little people AKA… :|.) [size=4]Midgets / Dwarfs:|.) like you were supposed to be HAPPY people no matter what! [/size]