Relax John.
People are just being skeptical.
It’s our nature not to be completely trusting.
Too much stuff has come down the pike already that just didn’t pan out.
He does make the point that the most savings can be gained by homes with heavy cooling needs and lots of sun exposed glass.
I wonder if there would be any savings in colder climates.
I am relaxed and to the point. If someone wants to call me
a liar, then please base it on facts. I never get mad, I just
get to the point. Say what you mean and mean what you say.
This radiant barrier has been proven in cold climates to save
over 50% of some people’s heating cost. It can be turned
the opposite directions to keep the heat inside the house
and to stop the flow of heat going out the windows.
It has been sold in Canada for 7 years now, in limited areas,
and has been proven to work well, even in cold climates.
In the hot climates, the radiant barrier is turned in a direction
to stop the heat from entering the windows.
I have a certain advantage because I have been looking into this product
for several months. I traveled to Canada and have seen it first hand
in commercial and residential settings. I have measured the temperatures
and know it works. It is very durable and not just some cheap material
that will fall apart with children banging on it.
This is why I am staking my reputation on this product and those who
represent the company. I feel it will be a good source of income to
those who want to market it during energy audits.
Actually John, I already know of similair products that do work, as I am sure this one does. I know of a company here locally that puts a very comparable product on windows to decrease cooling costs here in the desert. They wanted me to come out and do a before and after using infrared. I didn’t want to mess with the glass issues and infrared so we ended up just painting the whole thing flat black for one test and covered in black vinyl for another.
It just seems to me some of the marketing behind it is a little cheesy, kind of funny really. Space certified? What is that exactly. Now a days we are about the only country going to space, so who is the certifier exactly? I am pretty sure NASA does 100% of our space operations in the USA, so space certified is NASA? dunno. The 50% savings seems a little extreme, but maybe it does. I know that BPI, Resnet, and Energy Star (DOE and EPA) estimate upwards of 30% savings on energy costs with proper upgrades that do not include solar and geothermal. It seems to me if a simple window covering would save consumers 50% the DOE would be promoting it more. Just my 2 cents.
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Go John, Go!
Go after all of us that are making a scientific evaluation of your obviously “Bogus” "make me some money through NACHI scheme!
I say this, because you can’t seem to answer a question, as you claim I am not doing.
Did we not see two occations this year where we were dooped?!
An HVAC unit that defies the laws of physics?
Yes, because you are going to sell us under the table!?
$3k on a 3 brm house…
What is your take?
How can a homeowner recover this cost (Whatever it is).
You won’t disclose the facts of the program. We must email you and join the gang.
Any of us that attented a real school knows that radiant transfer is one of the lowest thermal losses in the building unless it is 90% glass on the south and west exposures. Then we must determine the length of exposure (see the video, it states this).
So now your damning us for “asking”. You put credibility into your program by using a “Space Program” ( Not NASA) and TA&M!?
On the flip side your damning Jason, who likely has forgotten more than you know! But hay, He ain’t no Home Inspector!
Yes there is a program for this thermal barrier application, but at this point I will say that your just twisting the world of facts to your program. Come straight with us John.
You keep asking for facts…
Well, if anyone was inclined to look into your background on this borad, they would find the facts that you took one Building Science course from Flir (good choice).
You purchased a Flir BCAM (another good choice).
Then, you started a Basic IR Training course with NACHI (good choice).
Then you started selling cameras with your IR course???!!!
Then your selling window blinds???!!!
You taught the guy selling this program!?
I can’t get hold of anyone in the blind company (big flag)!
We have to go through YOU (another big flag)!
You attack everyone here that you think “knows more than you”.
Well Sir, you think that a few loud mouth supporters that are fueling your fire are keeping you afloat. The Reality is that there are a huge majority of people (way more educated than I) whom do not post (but do read this BB) which I communicate with that think you are way outside your scope.
When any of you Thermographers out there go beyond the Home Inspection Scope, are you insured? Have you asked?
Those of you that advertise the ability of doing high voltage sub-station work etc. are you covered?
Ask.
It is because of the likes of Mr. McKenna that none of you wanting to escape the relm of Home Inspection with Ir, that your insurance premiums will be in the $3,600 range! Check it out.
In this case, selling radiant blinds is not in the scope of HI. What if your claims to save your client $$$ is not achieved? Do you expect insurance coverage from your professional liability provider?
Is Mr. John going to stand up for you in court and enlighten them with his vast knowledge of how qualitative guesses are far superior to quantitive scans?
I got a call on doing the electrical sub-stations in much of west Mississippi. I can’t get reasonable IR insurance because the “Standards” have not been been established in the eyes of my insurance carrier. Why? Because of shortcuts being performed out there that are known by the ins co’s. They don’t pay attention to the millions of dollars we have saved major cooperations. One “Aw ****” kills 2 dozen “atta-boys”.
Keep padding your pockets John, soon we will send you Washington to represent us, because it is a good opportunity.
Sorry if I busted anyone’s bubble!
John, quit asking me for YOUR facts. You should already know them.
If you put your name on this, it’s your baby!
Since you do not know much about this product, I understand
your questions. There are some products that look similar, but are
not like this product in it’s performance. I posted the space
certification so you could search it out. If you prefer to just scoff
at it, that is cool. This is a new product and will show it’s stuff
as it grows. It was tested at A&M University, so I feel confident
it will stand the test of those who honestly evaluate it.
Have a good one.
And there in lies one of the beautiful aspects of energy auditing. BPI and Resnet’s standard of practice both say as long as you are forthright with the customer off the bat about the ability to do certain work or carry certain products you are fine.
Now here is my big question, and I have no idea what the answer is or will be. What happens when these states start passing bills to force an energy audit for a real estate transaction. So now you are a home inspector and an energy auditor. What happens shen you do the home inspection, then go out to your truck and put on your energy auditing atire. All of a sudden you can do (sub, refer, actually do) the improvements that only an hour ago you could not?
My guess would be (passing of more laws) that either you will not be able to do both on the same property, or the SOP from BPI/Resnet or via other laws the energy auditor will have the same limitations that home inspectors currently have.
And John, I never said the product didn’t work. I just said I have seen similair products here locally. If your product truly does work, and I am not saying it doesn’t, you need to approach the right people to get it listed as an incentive upgrade. Under the new stimulus bill they raised the cap from $500 to $1500 on window upgrades (30% of the upgrade). The guy I was referring to here locally got his product “certified”, for lack of better terms. And the local power company reimburses the customer.
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It works… :mrgreen:
My plan is to sub out the home inspection, do the energy audit myself and then complete the recommended improvements and then re-audit. Much more money and a lot less liability.
As far as the product John is promoting, the company has contacted me in regard to distribution in the North East. I’m looking more at the commercial application rather than the residential because I think the cost or the radiant barrier will be to high of an investment for a home owner to justify. One thought that comes to mind is old windows with storms on them. If you put a radiant barrier on them you may gain in efficiency but you won’t be able to tilt the windows in to clean them, and that is huge in my area.
I do see this as a big market for commercial applications. I think of all the buildings in my area that have sun beating on them all day and with the capability of printing logs or names on the barrier it could have potential.
And Jason, I’d be careful as to who you throw stones at, what’s that saying about living in a glass house?
Sounds like a good plan.
BTW… this radiant barrier can be installed so that it can still
give access to the window. There are several ways it can
be installed.
The payback return of this product vs paying for window upgrades
is much faster and more return. Residential houses get window
upgrades and storm windows installed all the time, but don’t
get near the return as this product.
Your idea on commercial is correct. The glass on many of
these types of buildings is a huge source of energy loss, both
in summer and winter.
In one car dealership we know of, just adding this radiant
barrier without doing any other weatherization, reduced their
utility bill by 50%. No joke.
That is my limited assessment as well.
In an attempt to contact this company to determine the specifics, I was unable to.
John will not or can not provide this information for assessment, so if you get the information please disseminate it.
No one said this application would not work or is not needed. It is of paramount concern in many commercial applications. I recommend this type of application to about 30% of my clients who have a lot of glass and with south and west exposures which often have excessive heat load on air-conditioning system for this part of the house. The air-conditioning system is often improperly designed. Lowering the heat load can be significantly more cost-effective than making alterations to the HVAC system. As for commercial applications, I know at least a dozen places that have verbally mentioned to me problems of solar gain.
I am currently working on a project concerning the efficiency upgrade of 1200 family housing units on a military installation. We cannot take one step forward in this project until we can assess and predict the expected savings that should be received in the design model. If you can’t gather and provide this information to your prospective client, I can’t see this getting off the ground at the investment amount required.
We can’t predict the future because the weather changes and the clients building use is not the same but you can provide a scientific model for comparison.
On their website, they say they make no excuses for the higher cost of the product because it is far superior than anything else on the market. I would like to see their data on this, because this is what will make this product sell.
One other perspective of this product comes to mind. Do we promote the product as “energy efficiency” or to correct a “comfort condition”.
Electromagnetic radiation passing through a window increases the temperature inside the building by a certain number BTUs. This increases the load on the HVAC equipment in proportion to the projected radiation through the glass. Actually, it is not as dramatic an increase as perceived in a properly designed building.
However, this same energy makes us uncomfortable when we are located in this projected path. It has a greater effect on our comfort than the actual room temperature. As a result, we increase the use of the HVAC equipment to overcome the radiant effect on our comfort. So as a result, the use of the radiant barrier keeps you from having to turn the air conditioner down so low and will dramatically reduce your cooling expenses. These savings can be calculated.
We find this scenario most often in commercial and high-end homes with a lot of glass exposure. So directing your focus on commercial application is a good idea in my opinion, Peter.
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When I first saw the video on this, that is exactly what came to mind for me was the commercial applications. Our building we are in here has a ton of glass. Most of the buildings out here in Phoenix are mostly glass faced.
Peter, that wasn’t my post throwing stones, actually they were more like boulders. Mine was just commenting on the space certification seal that the manufacture is using, just seemed a like a cheesy marketing idea to me. I deal with manufactures all day long, and none of the really good ones use tactics like that. There is just no reason for it if the product is good (once again I am not saying it isn’t). Now a days people do a lot more research and are probably more educated in general because of the ease of gaining information in this era.
I do however see they have the USGBC logo and Energy Star on their site. USGBC is the body behind LEEDS. The USGBC will tell you flat out that no product is LEEDS certified. It can however get LEEDS points during the construction of a LEEDS project. Normally they would prefer to see something that is not only energy efficient and/or renewable, but also made from recycled components. I am currently working on my LEEDS certification, but decided to wait until August for version 3.0’s test.
John, speaking of which, with this product more than likely being more cost effective for commercial you might want to consider LEEDS certification as well. As a supplier we are very interested in the LEEDS program and products that will gain LEEDS points during construction. It is messy at the moment though with all these manufactures and what and what will not get points.
All I know is, products like this one, as well as services like many of you guys provide is how construction will be done for a long time to come. Europe has been doing the green thing for over a decade as well as Australia, it was only a matter of time before we had to follow suit. Just like Peter has done, you guys that come from a GC (construction) background stand to benefit in a big way over the long term.
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Appears TXU is already selling similar product with more info in this market…or buy direct
Barry, thanks for that link, I looked at the chimney balloon which may work for me during blower door tests.
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