Join me in welcoming inspector lawyer Joseph Denneler to InterNACHI's Legal Team.

Just as we thought. This is NOT free for all nachi members, (as Nick Stated in this post) it is only free for those inspectors who are users of Your insurance,.

Also you nor Nick answered the question regarding Nathans thread regarding his statements that the 3 lawyers he now has on his team are the only 3 lawyers that know anything anout the industry.

Simple question

  1. Do you thin k his claim is true or Not ?

Thanks,

Jim

Thanks to everyone for the well wishes. Looking through this thread there appears to be some questions about my role and how it relates to the InterNACHI Elite Risk Insurance program. I’ll be here and available by e-mail to help InterNACHI members with general questions, help with inspection and other ancillary contracts, issues involving standards of practice, report writing, how to avoid claims and litigation. In the coming months you’ll be seeing training and continuing education videos available exclusively to InterNACHI members. Since the press release I’ve helped several members with contract issues, whether use of a “d/b/a” designation affects insurance coverage, and other issues. There are no charges for any of that. Its free to only InterNACHI members.

I also provide claim assistance, inspection report reviews and regulatory compliance reviews for home inspectors. Those are available to InterNACHI members for a fee, which fee is less than what I charge others for those services.

InterNACHI members who are part of the InterNACHI Elite Risk Insurance program get my claim assistance program, Claims Assist, along with report writing assistance and help with regulatory compliance as part of that program.

As to questions about qualifications, I guess you could ask the many insurance companies, inspectors, franchisors, etc. who permit me to litigate their cases with hundreds of thousands of dollars, sometimes millions, at stake. Or you could ask the inspector who I represented today in an arbitration hearing. Or the one who I defended through his deposition yesterday. Or the inspector who got denied insurance who I’ll be getting dismissed from his case on summary judgment. Or the one who got an award of fees and costs for frivolous litigation filed against him. Or the one who has a trial starting on August 7. Or the one for whom I filed an action in Federal court to stop a client from defaming him on social media. I guess any of those folks would have some useful information.

A lot of folks talk about the law. But I’m the guy who works with inspectors every day on cases and claims where their skills and reputations have been called into question, where their own money is at stake and where they’ve been wronged by people looking to disparage their businesses. And I wouldn’t have it any other way.

Jim: any time you’d like to give me a call and talk about my qualifications let me know. 856-842-0731. Thanks.

I honestly could not care less about what Nathan claims… he’s entitled to his opinion just like we all are. Who am I and who are you to dispute that? What does that accomplish?

See Joe’s post above…

Thanks Joe. I am not the one who questioned your skills or qualifications, I simply was asking a question to ben and nick about what Nathan Thornberry posted.

Jim

That is not the answer to my question, it is simply a little folk dance around the bush.

Thanks anyway.

Jim

We all did, and it is Not what Nick said, (specifically in reply to Mards direct question).

Jim

I guess I need a Nick dictionary.

If we are already insured through you, does all of this already apply, or is this new thing we have to sign up for?

Hey Ian -

At renewal, you can apply for the new program and we’ll roll you in there.

I really don’t know how to answer your question and trying invalidate self-serving statements made by others is pointless. I think you should take a page out of the Jim Keilson book and “…ignore and or laugh at most everything he (Nathan) says” with your answer resting in Joe D’s background/experience. Perhaps you should raise the question to Nathan about why he doesn’t put Joe on that list? I mean, the answer is clear as day to me but possibly not so much to others.

So it’s like cable TV, the new people get the better offer while the existing customers don’t. :wink:

Eh, well, I’ve been very happy with EliteMGA insurance, and have no thoughts of ever changing. :slight_smile:

Ben, like Nick you like to dance I see. My question is so simple you should be able to answer it honestly without any spin.

This is simply You’re opinion.:

Simple question

  1. Ben, Do you think his claim is true or Not ? It really only requires a yes or no answer. ?

  2. Nick same question for you ?

Thanks,

Jim

Here is his post for ease of finding:

07/02/2018 02:27 PM EDT
Subject: How to get your legal issues resolved in Home Inspection - by P. Nathan Thornberry
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You know what has always bugged the hell out of me? The way home inspection businesses (and home inspectors) deal with legal issues.

Allow me to explain:

If you spend any time at all on a home inspection industry social media page or forum, you will see on a daily basis multiple posts where a response to a question includes “you should consult your attorney”. Of course, I always have to stop myself from posting in response “would you like to add “dumbass” to the end of that?” (Because it’s obvious, an attorney can deal with a legal issue and get an answer to a question. The person posing the question in a social media thread specifically did not send it to an attorney but rather wanted to poll the group or get an idea of what the answer should be, etc. so like just answer the question or abstain instead of playing Captain Obvious you keyboard warriors out there).

But enough about my social media pet peeves on this one. There’s a deeper issue here: How many inspection companies actually have attorneys on call? How many employ one as general counsel? The answer is virtually ZERO on the first question and an absolute ZERO on the second and by the way there are only really 3 attorneys who have focused their careers on home inspection and related issues throughout the U.S. and done so with an impeccably competent record (Alex Vollmer, Joe Ferry, and Mark Cohen). If you were to actually engage a local attorney, get them on retainer, the first thing they would probably ask is “what is a home inspection?” and then any time you had an issue you’d have to pay their hourly rate to learn about the subject matter and then act.

Coincidentally, the number of inspectors that have taken that “you should consult your attorney” advice in all those social media threads is probably also ZERO (so you keyboard warriors can go back to…oh, nevermind. Stay online. Nothing else to do


).

I, myself had this same issue. When I was fairly young in the business, around 19 years old, I had my first legal issue to contend with. Nothing big, just a minor dispute and I felt an attorney’s letter would be a good move. I’m in the warranty business, which is about as familiar to attorneys as home inspection, and I discovered this in the worst way: I consulted a local attorney my parents had utilized for years. He talked to me for an hour on the issue, wrote a letter for another hour, sent me a copy to review and sent me a bill for around $600.

Here’s the best part - when I reviewed the letter, it was clear he had no idea what we really did. In fact, he didn’t even refer to us as a “warranty company” in the letter. He called us a “mortgage company”. Probably just a mistake but seriously? I fired my first attorney that day.

Fast forward nearly 20 years and we have not one but three legal professionals on staff. Not just outside firms, no, staff members that get a paycheck from us every week. It was literally impossible to find competent counsel that I didn’t have to train on our business with every little issue and then pay through the nose for something I felt like I, as a layperson, could have done much better. This wasn’t an easy thing to accomplish and really doesn’t pencil unless you’re doing tens of millions in revenue - which puts literally every single home inspection company in the world in the same position as I was nearly 20 years ago with no good options.

So what should you do? Divide and Conquer.

Remember those three names of the only attorneys in the U.S. that really understand home inspection? (Vollmer, Ferry, and Cohen) You can put one, two, or all three to work for you for less than any attorney in town will charge you just as a retainer. Here’s how you do it:

  1. Get with the Program! (The ISG Program)

Alix Vollmer and her team work tirelessly on compliance and complaint issues for RWS and on behalf of RWS (Residential Warranty Services) for our clients. When you offer warranties with your inspection, anything and everything that could be deemed a warranty items ends up being NOT your problem even if it goes legal. You essentially get a third party to not only defend the issue and pay for the issue, but they bring their own counsel with them at their own expense. Not only do we get rid of issues but IF they become for any reason an E&O claim we cover your deductible up to $5000.00. Talk to Mike Doerr and see http://www.InspectionSuccess.net for details and to get enrolled. The Cost: As little as $0.

  1. Engage Mark Cohen on an as-needed basis.

Many if not most legal issues facing an inspector (formation, legal questions, etc.) can be handled in no time flat when you have an attorney that has been working in the industry forever and has most everything committed to memory. For as little as $150 and a retainer of ZERO DOLLARS for qualifying Home Inspectors, Mark Cohen is your counsel. For things that require a locally admitted counsel, Mark can help you through that process as well. See details at LEGAL

  1. Get Joe Ferry to respond to frivolous claims.

Then there are those, “Hello, I’m an attorney representing Mr. Smith and you didn’t find the underground, buried, concealed oil tank in his back yard when you did his inspection 5 years ago and we are demanding $21,000” letters from attorneys who know nothing about inspection (which is all of them. That’s right, I am publicly calling out every attorney in the U.S. as being uneducated on this topic outside of these three. You can reach me at Nathan@Nathan.tv if you’d like to talk about it. lol). How do you deal with those? Well, a letter in response to these from Joe Ferry has an incredibly high rate of success (high 90’s) in getting them GONE. The cost? A small monthly fee. Oh, and Joe says those warranties from item #1 above do a great job of reducing the number of claims to deal with. Check out his program at http://www.JoeFerry.com

So there you have it. Spend maybe $0 to a few hundred annually for the best representation there is for a home inspector. Inspired by that attorney that disappointed me nearly two decades ago. I think I’m going to send him a bottle of wine with a thank you card now.

I can probably answer. Who is “his” and what is the claim?

Read the post above, although I imagine you already have and are just playing your typical dame. In any case read the post, and nathans hread and then answer my question.

Thanks

Jim

Nathan makes a lot of claims. I don’t know which one you are asking me about.

Actually all of them he makes in the above thread he made, which I posted above for your convenience.

But How about we just start with 2 of his claims.

Nathans Claim 1.
*“there are only really 3 attorneys who have focused their careers on home inspection and related issues throughout the U.S. and done so with an impeccably competent record (Alex Vollmer, Joe Ferry, and Mark Cohen)”
*

Question #1 for you:

In your opinion,

Do you think his claim is true or Not ? It really only requires a yes or no answer. ?

Nathans Claim 2.

“Remember those three names of the only attorneys in the U.S. that really understand home inspection? (Vollmer, Ferry, and Cohen”

Question #2 for you:

In your opinion,

Do you think his claim is true or Not ? It really only requires a yes or no answer. ?

Thanks

Jim

Hey Ben, could you answer the same questions as asked to Nick in the above post please ?

Thanks

Jim

No. Neither claim is accurate.