MN Radon Licensing Act meeting announcement...

(Jeffrey R. Jonas) #1

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March 4, 2016 Meeting re. The MN Radon Licensing Act

Greetings to All Radon Mitigators, Radon Testers, Home Inspectors, Realtors, and Building Officials,

You are strongly encouraged to attend a meeting sponsored by the newly formed Minnesota Association of Radon Professionals.

Find out how the new MN Radon Licensing Act and law, to be implemented by the MN Dept. of Health in 2017, will dramatically change who can be involved in Radon Testing, Radon Mitigation and fees attached to it. This new law will have a profound impact on the way you do business and those who work for you and with you.

Speakers at the March 4 meeting will include Lawmakers, Code Officials, Attorneys, Realtors and Mitigation Professionals. Topics will include options for going forward with professional designation and common sense approaches that limit government intervention, minimizing administrative and redundant costs. We will also review the option of repealing and replacing this law.

This is your best opportunity to become comprehensively informed, learn how to get involved and be heard.

When: 9:00am, Friday, March 4th, 2016
Where: Maple Grove Government Center, 12800 Arbor Lakes Pkwy N., Maple Grove, MN 55369
Cost: This meeting is FREE. Seating is limited.

Please RSVP asap to: noah@rouengroup.com

For more information contact:
Walter Donnay 612-490-1295
Mike Hogenson 612-369-5433
Noah Rouen 612-419-6909

NOTE: Please do not reply to this email. To reach Mike Hogenson, please send email to mwh@standardwater.com

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(Gary Farnsworth, CMI) #2

Radon laws are worthless. Here in Kansas, they are not enforced, policed, and many radon "testing professionals" do them for free, whether or not there is radon in the home tested. Many mitigation companies then get the "free" fees back from mitigation revenue.

Huge conflicts of interest abound when testers do the testing and mitigation. Laws just allow for games to be played, and push the little independent testing people out of business. It is a racket, very similar to HI licensing.

It is all about the state and CEU testing schools to make money. That's all.

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(Paul Lesieur, CMI) #3

That's how I feel about it also.

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(Jeffrey R. Jonas) #4

Worthless or not, like it or not, it has come to Minnesota. The question is, what the heck are we gonna do about it?

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(Christopher Currins, CMI) #5

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Radon laws are worthless. Here in Kansas, they are not enforced, policed, and many radon "testing professionals" do them for free, whether or not there is radon in the home tested. Many mitigation companies then get the "free" fees back from mitigation revenue.

Huge conflicts of interest abound when testers do the testing and mitigation. Laws just allow for games to be played, and push the little independent testing people out of business. It is a racket, very similar to HI licensing.

It is all about the state and CEU testing schools to make money. That's all.
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If what you're saying is true it sounds like Kansas has a very crooked government that is worthless. Not the licensing laws in general.

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(Paul Lesieur, CMI) #6

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Worthless or not, like it or not, it has come to Minnesota. The question is, what the heck are we gonna do about it?
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Nothing. Let the mitigation guys do free testing.

Homeowners lose big but that's how laws work in Minnesota.

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(Gary Farnsworth, CMI) #7

And in every other state as well. Laws are only implemented to satisfy and benefit the ones who put them into play. The laws are purchased by lobbyists and special interest groups to add revenue to the business that want the laws, and push the honest, small business out of play. The consumers are the ones who lose.

Now you know why the race for the Presidency is so rough.

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(Jeffrey R. Jonas) #8

Latest Update: Received 01/25/2017:

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Message from MN Radon Professionals Association View this email in your browser

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Important Update on Radon Licensing Act

Dear Radon Professional:

I wanted to share some important news for our industry. Late last week the Minnesota Legislature introduced a bill to REPEAL the RADON LICENSING ACT.

Here is a link to the bill (here)](http://standardwater.us12.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=d0e7a00913fd9558c66d82b47&id=c01c34c2d2&e=8f374d12cc)

As you know, we have worked with the legislature to modify the radon licensing act to make it work much better for our industry and our customers. We have met with dozens of legislators, staff and industry professionals over the course of the last six months. It was a clear consensus among all parties that the radon licensing act needs to change.

It is the recommendation of the legislature that the law is scrapped, with the possibility of starting from scratch.

While our original intent was to modify the law, we understand that at the end of the day, too many problems remain, so the Minnesota Association of Radon Professionals has voted to support the repeal of the Radon Licensing Act.

We also approved the hiring of a lobbying firm. The Rouen Group, who helped on this issue last year will be helping us again this year. They feel that with the industry support we should be able to pass the repeal.

Here is what you can do:

As always, please do not hesitate to call me with any questions or concerns.

Walt Donnay
President, MARP
612-490-1295

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(Gary Farnsworth, CMI) #9

I have a message for Minnesota lawmakers. I can save you millions.

Just let the real estate agent office brokers set the requirements for radon testing for homes of their home buyers. Testers should have insurance, proof of educational requirements, and signing of a waver by all radon testing companies guaranteeing no conflicts of interest, and testing of radon by EPA protocols. Let the office brokers monitor the requirements and the performance of the testers, and any other tradespersons for that matter.

Put it on them. Besides, they are the ones who most likely want the laws anyway. Think about that.

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(Jeffrey R. Jonas) #10

Update:

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*Radon Licensing Act Pushed Back Until 2019 *

Dear Radon Professional:

I want to give you all an update on our efforts to modify the radon licensing act at the Minnesota Legislature. As you know, MARP members were very engaged at the Capitol. Many of our members testified and attended meetings with legislators and MDH officials.

MARP also hired the Rouen Group to lobby on our behalf. Noah and his team did an excellent job of ensuring our voice was heard with politicians and policy makers. Our combined efforts were successful in getting the Legislature to pass a complete repeal of the Radon Licensing Act!

Unfortunately, Governor Mark Dayton vetoed the bill that contained the repeal language. In fact, the governor singled out the repeal as one of the reasons he vetoed a major bill for the Department of Health. This forced MARP and our legislative allies to negotiate a compromise.

*After hours of negotiation, we all agreed to extend the implementation of the Radon Licensing Act to 2019 and give us time to work on a solution with MARP, MDH, DoLI, and local city inspectors. *

We feel fortunate to have achieved this result. We have a strong commitment from our great authors Sen. Karin Housley and Rep. Nick Zerwas, along with many others in the legislature to find a solution that works for our industry.

If you haven't already joined and want to help support our efforts please join (here)](http://minnesotaradonassociation.com/members/become-a-member)

Please watch your email in the coming weeks for our next general membership meeting and our First Annual Legislative Reception!

As always, please do not hesitate to call me with any questions or concerns.

Walt Donnay
President, MARP
612-490-1295

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(Michael Larson, WI Lic. # 1672-106) #11

Thanks for the update Jeff.

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(Jeffrey R. Jonas) #12

Update:

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Radon Rules Stakeholder:

A few items for your consideration:

  • The legislature amended the Radon Licensing Act to delay implementation of licensing requirements and rules until January 1, 2019;
  • agency staff have completed a new draft of the rules;
  • [size=3]MDH continues to welcome your comments on the proposed rules; [/size]
  • [size=3][size=3][size=3]the next formal step of the rulemaking process is publishing Notice of Intent to Adopt in the State Register.[/size][/size][/size]

You can find links to the statute, new rule draft and Request for Comments at:
http://www.health.state.mn.us/divs/eh/indoorair/radon/rulemaking/rulesindex.html

Please direct questions about the Radon Licensing Act or proposed rules to:

Joshua Kerber, MS
Research Scientist
Minnesota Department of Health
Indoor Air Unit
Phone: 651-201-5613
Email: joshua.kerber@state.mn.us

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(Jeffrey R. Jonas) #13

update:

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(Jeffrey R. Jonas) #14

UPDATE: May 24, 2018

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(Jeffrey R. Jonas) #15

Update:

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(Michael A. Senty) #16

This discussion should move forward to dealing with the law. I, for one, am now licensed. The difficulty I have is quality assurance in a market where I might see a total of 20 or 30 radon tests annually. My community is very small and rural.

Carbon canisters and QA were two huge conflicting issues. It’s so easy to tamper with carbon canisters, and even the realtors tell sellers what to do (open windows periodically). Yes, one can have a QA program with carbon canisters, but it involves tamper tape and lots of other hassles. I decided to go with a CRM instead, because of the QA/tamper issues.

Price then becomes a huge issue due to low anticipated volume. Leasing programs for CRM’s were out of the question, at $150 +/- for monthly fee. Then, for multiple foundation types, I’d end up back with carbon canisters or need a second CRM. Carbon canisers, and once again the QA program hassles become a huge issue.

I finally decided to purchase two CRM’s and finance over a 2 year period in order for the “lease” cost to cash flow, based on my estimated revenue. This was a long decision process, but at this point I’m satisfied with the chain of decisions.

I considered at the end both the Sunnuclear products and Airthings. Both would work for my cash flow and financing choices. I did not find any other CRM’s to consider for purchase.

I am waiting arrival of my devices, I have received my license, and I’m about to market to my local realtors. Good thing is I have a good relationship with my realtors and several encouraged me to do this. I’m also the only licensed measurement person within 100 miles.

With out of pocket costs for training and devices, I have $3500 in to this endeavor. The value of my time in lost revenue is not included. Time will tell how this pays out. Part of the reason I decided to get radon licensed is to nudge more realtors to use me for home inspections.

I’d be interested in hearing how others are approaching this issue. It is here to stay in Minnesota, and definitely a risk to undertake as a business in rural Minnesota.

It will also be interesting in how realtors approach this issue. I know one realtor who told one buyer to place the carbon canister in the home and then send it in as a private party. There will be ways around this, but that’s always the case.

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(Michael Larson, WI Lic. # 1672-106) #17

I no longer offer Radon testing in MN.

I am willing to arrange someone else doing it.

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(Paul Lesieur, CMI) #18

Sold my CRM’s and if I do an inspection with radon I sub it out for $125 and charge $150.00. Way too expensive in time and money to do radon myself. There are lots of people who are certified that charge $125.00. Just another example of government overreach.

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(Michael A. Senty) #19

Overreach? Really? How’s that? Is this fine with you: Buyer has realtor place carbon canister devices and the realtor tells seller to keep windows open, reducing the reading.

Radon is #2 cause of lung cancer death, behind smoking and ahead of second hand smoke, and the public is not aware (is this an issue of personal responsibility or is it an issue of government responsibility for the public good and defense?). Who is responsible for informing the public? Government, another entity, or the unknowing individual?

Who is advocating for the buyer? We may differ, but I do support professional licensing to establish minimum standards (building contractors, home inspectors, radon testing professionals to mention a few). At the same time, the purpose of InterNACHI is the same as government licensing, to establish minimum standards. Like government licensing, I don’t see InterNACHI’s role in setting standards as overreach either.

I know this forum gets pretty snippy, but the intent of my post is to share information between those who accept the licensing of radon professionals in MN, and how they are addressing the issues of the business. Licensing is here, whether you think the government is overreaching or not. Hopefully this discussion can move forward from this reality. If not here, I’ll continue to look for spaces where this kind of discussion can happen.

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(Paul Lesieur, CMI) #20

Calm down kemosabe, yes government overreach. I didn’t say not to test because you are correct, radon can cause lung cancer and having survived cancer I am the last person who would say don’t test for radon.

Problem in my opinion is radon test licensing was successfully lobbied for by companies who would benefit from licensing and like contractor licensing it adds time and expense but does little to protect consumers.

As far as anyone being snippy, see whos looking at you the net time you shave.

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