Originally Posted By: Joe Tedesco
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Joe. Stop posting. You were banned for a year.
Joe. Stop posting. You were banned for a year.
Originally Posted By: Mike Parks
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To all
"We all understand that the NEC rules are not retroactive, except for some specific areas, such as replacement receptacles that are to be GFCI protected. "
Please do not infer that this means an "upgrade" is required. Note the word replacement.
Joe I did know that (404.14(E). I wonder if the manf. will place this notice on there dimmers.
I guess I will have to remove the one that I installed to control the volume on my stereo. LOL
Mike P.
Originally Posted By: jremas
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Joe T, looks like you have hit a real hard gray area as far as a dimmer switch on a receptacle for plug in lamps. Maybe the outlet even if split should have a “lighting only” sticker on it. Next time I run across one with a carpenter sawing I will have some fun with the dimmer! LOL
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Originally Posted By: Charles Hopkins
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Joe,
I greatly appreciate your post. You are doing a real service for HI's and for
lurkers like me. Oh, I believe it is OK to put your web address on each
post. I do not think they mind.
Again thanks.
Rusty
Originally Posted By: joetedesco
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404.14(E) Dimmer Switches. General-use dimmer switches shall
be used only to control permanently installed incandescent
luminaires (lighting fixtures) unless listed for the control of
other loads and installed accordingly.
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Originally Posted By: pabernathy
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Personally I think the NEC is very clear on this with the advent of the 2002 NEC.
A plug and cord for a floor lamp could never be considered permanently installed thus making it a moot point in regards to doing anything remotly close to allowing a recept to be on a dimmer.
General use dimmers are not permitted to control receptacles or cord and plug conected table and floor lamps. Now the section joe stated ( 404.12(E) doe not apply to commerical dimmers or theater dimmers that can be used for Flourescent lighting and protable lighting.
The NEC does go out of the way to list about the Comm. dimmers and Theater dimmers but they are for specific lighting needs as described and listed for.
The idea of splitting a recept and having that work for allowing a dimmer is not correct in that it would firstly not be permenant and also not listed correctly for the general use dimmer as stated in the NEC as well as the shear possiblility it will never be used in its correct intent as it would not be for commerical lighting or a theater location.
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Originally Posted By: bbadger
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Leviton makes a listed wall dimer for control of cord and plug connected lamps.
It requires installing a special plug on the lamp and matching receptacle at the point of use.
I have never seen one installed.
I believe they developed it for use with fancy lighting control systems.
Originally Posted By: pabernathy
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lol…not making sure the local AHJ understands it and allows it in light of the wording in the new NEC will have to be seen.
Thanks Bob......I am going to look for one of those as I have a tradeshow display I would like to burn up using a dimmer in a demonstration. Do you happen to have a model number....I do have a lev. book...so I will pull it out and look for it as well.
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Originally Posted By: bbadger
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| pabernathy wrote: |
| lol....not making sure the local AHJ understands it and allows it in light of the wording in the new NEC will have to be seen. |
It is not a problem unless the inspector is just plain stubborn 
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| (E) Dimmer Switches. General-use dimmer switches shall be used only to control permanently installed incandescent luminaires (lighting fixtures) unless listed for the control of other loads and installed accordingly. |
The Leivton dimmer is listed for control of portable lamps.
I am a bit busy right now, I will try to find it later.
Originally Posted By: bbadger
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Basically the dimmers are standard dimmers but your buying special receptacles and plugs.
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| Dimming use receptacles and replacement plugs are UL Listed Special Use Connectors suitable for use with the following Lutron products:
GRAFIKTM Lighting Control Systems GRAFIK Eye? Lighting Control Systems Hi-PowerTM 2?4?6 Dimming Modules HomeWorks? Lighting Control Systems Nova? Dimmers Nova T ? Dimmers |
Here is a cut sheet about them.
It is a small pdf file.
http://www.lutron.com/instructions/030825.pdf
The Part numbers
Full Dimming Receptacle NTR-15-DFDU
Full Dimming Receptacle NTR-20-DFDU
Dimmable Plug RP-FDU-10
Originally Posted By: joetedesco
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Originally Posted By: joetedesco
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http://www.agsrhichome.bnl.gov/AGS/Accel/SND/Electrical%20Safety/NFPA%2070E%202004.pdf
Originally Posted By: pabernathy
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Why are you removeing Joe’s Posts…fine to ban him but his previous information is useful to members…the posts should stay.
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Originally Posted By: bkelly1
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| pabernathy wrote: |
| Why are you removeing Joe's Posts.......fine to ban him but his previous information is useful to members....the posts should stay. |
ditto
Originally Posted By: mthomas2
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My two cents worth:
As long as there is a chance that ONE post from Joe Tedesco or anyone else here stops me from making ONE mistake that gets me sued or causes financial loss or injury to a client ONE time, then I don?t care if they - or anyone else - ports my posts somewhere else.
For that matter, I don't care if they make fun of them under a photo-shopped picture of me in clown suit romancing a baboon in hair curlers ? if that?s how someone gets their kicks, that?s THEIR problem.
I?m all grown up - it?s nothing to me one way or the other.
But I do care ? a lot ? about potential real world effects of my ignorance on my business, my family?s financial security, and my clients, and these outlet-dimmer combinations were news to me.
And in my area ? where homeowners are prone to playing with the newest and most brightly waxed toy in the electrical aisle at Home Depot - I *need* to know about such material and issues.
A whole lot more that I need to be protected from the possibility that Joe Tedesco or anyone else will be holding me up to ridicule in some forum I never read.
Originally Posted By: bkelly1
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| Joe Tedesco wrote: |
| Joe. Stop posting. You were banned for a year. |
The moderator has waaaayyyy tooo much time on his hands to have deleted this post.
Originally Posted By: John Bowman
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Joe T. would love for you to visit and join his site. Do that if you miss him so much.
jlconline.com or something like that.
Originally Posted By: rbennett
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Post removed by me after being contacted about my post
rlb
Originally Posted By: dspencer
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I for one would like to have his good post here…rather not have to join more msg boards when I could get the knowledge here. This is why I joined.