QOD for 4/1/04 (Electrical)

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Still going with Sparkies



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edited



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Edit conducted to today’s answers, but I won’t say which one.



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question? icon_biggrin.gif



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I know which one was edited. Now I want to change my answer from this morning. icon_smile.gif



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(E)


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Here is a one of those accessible - inaccessible situations. Accessible because you could see it but according to the homeowner inaccessible because the average person would have to stand on a step ladder to reach it. Just one of many such connections in this structure.


I was followed by the vendor through-out the inspection and told that if I continued to be so picky "the house would never sell"

Go figure.

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Sorry about the link to the picture being dead. Anyone out there want to give any hints about getting images or links to images to work in a post. Even directions to the instructions would do.



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Make sure there are no spaces between words or numbers in the link.


Originally Posted By: dbush
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The correct answer is B.



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Dave


Not trying to be smart but what does this mean?:

"in an attic when secured to a joist every 4' inside of a junction box"

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dbush wrote:
Edit conducted to today's answers, but I won't say which one.

I think "in the junction box" was added after the initial question was posted.


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Mike Parks wrote:
Not trying to be smart but what does this mean?:

"in an attic when secured to a joist every 4' inside of a junction box"

It's mostly a lot of flim flam to hide the only answer which is "inside a junction box". It does need to be secured and could be every 4' ... ![icon_wink.gif](upload://ssT9V5t45yjlgXqiFRXL04eXtqw.gif)


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The question and answers were poorly worded.


What does Gerry B have to offer?


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If this is an NHIE question, we can all learn from it. I wont forget it, if it is. If it is not, it is one of the crappiest I have seen. It is acceptable to splice inside a properly rated box. This could even include a panel.


Bogus...

So... where did this question come from, so I'll know if I need to committ it to memory or toss it...


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Joe and Joe … come on guys … just cause you guys got it wrong is no reason to break Daves chops (or is it Gerry’s) … icon_lol.gif


IMHO, this is intentionally a tricky question to not only make sure you are reading the question/answers, but also that the basic principal is understood. And it would be a typical type of question an HI will see on the NHIE exam ... go figure ...

Only answers "A" and "B" have anything to do with a "box", and a splice does need to be in a box, panel, and other things closed up. But answer "A" states it's "uncovered", which is also unacceptable. Therefore, answer "B" is the only possible corrrect answer.

Come on Joe ... get on the ball, and stop complaining about getting the QOD wrong ... I always wondered why there were so many "wrong" answers ... (duck) ... ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif) ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif) ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif)


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Quote:
in an attic when secured to a joist every 4' inside of a junction box


So, let's look at this...

In an attic when secured to a joist every 4'.... STOP THERE

This is a qualifier. It sets the scenario of correctness.

inside of a junction box..... STOP THERE

Absolutely... Splices are accepted when they are made in a covered enclosure, like a junction box.

HOWEVER... When you combine the two statements, the qualifying portion negates the correct portion. It inferrs that if the cable was in an attic and secured to a joist every 3' or 5' or 2' or 9', that the reference to it being in a j-box is moot, as the cable was secured in a non-stated (or authorized) interval.

So, if this question was an NHIE question, then good, because some of us MAY actually see it again. However, if someone made it up, then admit it was wrong, so we can forget it. Wrong is wrong, guys.

I'm busting balls a little, because one of the answers was supposedly edited.

And, for the record, I didnt get it wrong or right, as I didnt answer it. ![icon_wink.gif](upload://ssT9V5t45yjlgXqiFRXL04eXtqw.gif) Choice B may have been close enough, but the qualifying statement wasn't the red herring for a trick question. To the contrary, it invalidated the question, as there was no truly correct answer posted.

So, what does Gerry have to say about this?


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Originally Posted By: roconnor
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jfarsetta wrote:
... And, for the record, I didnt get it wrong or right, as I didnt answer it.

According to Chris, who logged your ISP address when you answered, you got it wrong. You are so busted Joe ... ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif)

(Chris ... dont tell Joe about that feature ... lol.)


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I am absolutely amazed sometimes by how much thought goes into doing things wrong