Question for the experienced inspectors

Online training is not worthless by any means. A good online training course will provide you with a general understanding of what to do to be successful as a independent small business owner in your chosen profession. But it does not provide you with actual hands on training which you will badly need before you have a small shot at making it through your first two years.

In fact you may decide after taking the course that becoming a home inspector or what ever else is not for you.

Personally I would do or join nothing until a took an online training course. Just make sure it is an accepted state required one. If INACHI has a state approved online course I would join INACHI first and then take the course.

At this point I would get hands on training.

Sean, take the Nachi online exam. If you score below 75 the home inspection profession is probably not for you.

Thanks Chris and out of curiosity, I did take the exam sometime ago and passed on the first try. I know that doesn’t make me even close to becoming an inspector. As I stated eariler in a post (1:23pm) it just seems odd to me the requirements to inspect homes. I will agree with Jeff that a classroom setting is preferred, along with hands on, just not sure why states don’t enforce that. Guess I shouldn’t complain.

There is no way in hell that a classroom course can compare with online education.

Online written and video courses are perfect for educating and improving the competence of home inspectors and providing options for their primary and Continuing Education. Advantages over classroom courses include:

Cost of Course: Online courses are inexpensive or free. Dollar for dollar, an inspector can complete many online courses for the same cost as a single classroom course. The more education an inspector has, the better he/she can serve his/her clients. Compared to online courses, classroom courses harm consumers by exhausting the Continuing Education budgets of inspectors faster than online courses.

Cost of Travel: There are no travel or hotel costs associated with online courses. In contrast, relevant classroom courses, which are few and far between, cause the inspector to incur out-of-pocket travel and accommodation costs. Again, the more education an inspector has, the better he/she can serve his/her clients. Compared to online courses, classroom courses harm consumers by exhausting the Continuing Education budgets of inspectors faster than online courses.

Cost of Lost Work: An inspector need not take off work to complete online courses. Online courses can be taken at night, on the weekends, or whenever an inspector doesn’t have any inspections scheduled. In contrast, classroom courses are often offered only during the day and require the inspector to suffer lost business income. Again, the more education an inspector has, the better he/she can serve his/her clients. Compared to online courses, classroom courses harm consumers by exhausting the Continuing Education budgets of inspectors faster than online courses.

Cost Advantage to Consumers: Online inspection courses are simply more affordable to inspectors. With reduced course costs come an increase in the number of courses an inspector can afford to complete each year, with a corresponding rise in the level of inspector competence. Increasing the level of inspector competence is a direct benefit to consumers. Lower-cost education also gives inspectors the opportunity to pass on savings to consumers. Compared to online courses, classroom courses harm consumers by delaying the inspector’s professional progress.

Accessibility: Online courses are available all the time, anytime, from anywhere. In contrast, classroom courses for the inspection industry are few and far between. Compared to online courses, classroom courses harm consumers by limiting access to education for inspectors.

Collaboration in Development: Online course development often includes collaboration among many experts and inspectors from around the world. For example, it is not unusual for InterNACHI’s online courses to be the product of dozens of contributors. Compared to online courses, classroom courses harm consumers by often lacking in international collaborative development.

Expert Instruction: Online course developers can hire many experts to contribute to each course. Often, in online video courses, the instruction is presented by one or more renowned experts. In contrast, classroom instructors, though perhaps competent to teach a particular subject, are rarely international experts. Compared to online courses, classroom courses harm consumers by denying renowned expertise instruction to inspectors and limiting them to a local pool of talent.

Number of Instructors: Online courses often utilize more than one instructor, with more than one area of expertise. In contrast, most classroom courses are taught by only one instructor. Compared to online courses, classroom courses harm consumers by limiting the number of expert instructors per course.

Accuracy: Online courses are reviewed for accuracy before being released. Online courses are also subjected to industry-wide peer review forever. In contrast, classroom instruction is rarely reviewed by anyone. The author of this article personally knows of a physics professor who had been teaching the use of an incorrect formula for over 30 years before the error was caught. Compared to online courses, classroom courses harm consumers by failing to correct misinformation given to inspectors in a timely fashion.

Current Course Material: Downloadable, printable online course material is reviewed, edited and improved over time. In contrast, classroom texts are less frequently updated. Compared to online courses, classroom courses harm consumers by being less able to provide inspectors with current course material.

Pictures and Video: Online courses contain pictures and on-location video that permit the inspector to virtually accompany the instructors on inspections of many actual structures and components. In contrast, classroom courses can’t take inspectors into crawlspaces or on roofs. Compared to online courses, classroom courses harm consumers by failing to provide inspectors with virtual, real-situation training.

Pace: Online courses move at each inspector’s desired pace. Online courses can be stopped and re-started. Online video can be paused. In contrast, classroom courses move at only the instructor’s speed. Compared to online courses, classroom courses harm consumers by being unable to teach at each inspector’s own pace.

Wasted Time: Online courses are edited to cut out set-up time, off-topic discussions, bathroom breaks, lunchtime, etc. In contrast, classroom courses contain much wasted time. Compared to online courses, classroom courses harm consumers by diluting the training time with things that don’t increase inspector competence.

Schedule: Online courses are available when each inspector wants to take them. In contrast, classroom courses have inflexible schedules that require inspectors to attend when it is inconvenient, when the inspector is ill, when the inspector is tired, etc. Compared to online courses, classroom courses harm consumers by forcing inspectors to study and learn at a preset schedule.

Quizzes and Exams: Online courses contain numerous short quizzes that assure the inspector has learned each section before moving on to the next. These quizzes are graded instantly, and often alert the inspector to incorrect answers immediately. Some even have built-in intelligence, which recognizes each inspector’s unique areas of weakness, and reviews those areas until the inspector grasps them. Classroom courses typically have fewer quizzes, without instant grading. Compared to online courses, classroom courses harm consumers by being less diligent about assuring that each inspector has learned and understands every concept being taught.

Review: Online courses permit inspectors to go back and review areas of weakness. For example, InterNACHI’s online video courses permit the inspector to rewind and replay them over and over. In contrast, classroom material is typically covered only once. Compared to online courses, classroom courses harm consumers by being unable to allow inspectors go back and repeat material to strengthen his/her particular areas of weakness.

Repeat: Online courses permit inspectors to take the course over again. In contrast, classroom courses are typically taken only once. Compared to online courses, classroom courses harm consumers by being all but impossible for inspectors to re-take over and over.

Instant Grading: Online courses contain quizzes and final exams that are graded instantly. Instant grading permits the inspector to be alerted to areas of weakness while still engaged in the course. In contrast, classroom courses typically don’t grade instantly. Compared to online courses, classroom courses harm consumers by being unable to instantly grade each quiz and exam.

Consistent Grading: Online courses and quizzes are graded consistently over time and around the world. In contrast, classroom courses grade easier or harder, depending on where and when the inspector takes each course. Compared to online courses, classroom courses harm consumers by being unable to grade inspectors consistently.

Advanced Courses: It is financially feasible to offer advanced courses online. An online course need be developed only once, yet can run for years. In contrast, classroom courses usually must be of an introductory nature to attract enough students to pay for an instructor each time it is offered. Compared to online courses, classroom courses harm consumers by being unable to financially sustain advanced course offerings.

Specialty Courses: It is financially feasible to offer specialty courses online. An online course need be developed only once, yet can run for years. In contrast, classroom courses usually must have a common enough appeal of subject matter in order to attract enough students to pay for an instructor each time it is offered. Compared to online courses, classroom courses harm consumers by being unable to financially sustain specialty course offerings.

Choice: Online courses offer inspectors a wide variety of choices in both level and subject matter. In contrast, classroom courses are fewer and farther between. Compared to online courses, classroom courses harm consumers by being less likely to offer the training inspectors need, when and where they need it.

Communication: Online courses often provide an Internet forum for all current students, graduates, instructors, experts, developers and interested parties from around the world to interact with each other and discuss the course. These course-specific forums provide continuing education to inspectors long after completing the course. Classroom courses harm consumers by rarely providing such widespread, post-course interaction.

In summary, online courses allow inspectors to study and learn at little or no cost, without having to travel or lose business, when and where they want, with well-developed, accurate courses taught by experts, using updated course material, pictures and video, at their own pace and schedule, with the ability to review and repeat, and with the assurance they’ll end up with a thorough understanding of the chosen topic.

A chalkboard or PowerPoint presentation interrupted by bathroom/cigarette breaks and long, off-topic war stories from the guy in the front row… simply can’t compete.

Sean that’s great you were able to pass the Nachi online exam on the first try.

May I ask a question? Had you taken any type of inspection related course, even a 3/4 hour online or classroom course, before taking the exam?

Sean writes about his experience:

Sounds like you might want to specialize in commercial inspections instead. See International Standards of Practice for Inspecting Commercial Properties - InterNACHI®

Some aspects that have not been touch on are your ability to think clearly. A study has been done on classrooms being the main reason for academic failure, absenteeism and even teacher turn around due to bad Indoor Air Quality. The main reason for inexperienced individuals in any field is related to lack of concentration in schools and more focus on passing the bare minimum. You cannot repeat what you learn from a teacher to sink it down into your thick noggin. You can only retain a small amount of info each day according to your retention level. You can be easily stressed out by time limits, family problems, debts and host of other things. Proven by top experts the best way to get education is not in a classroom setting but in repeated work with a professional in the field as an apprentice.
You can do this with InterNachi by reviewing as many times as you want the info and pictures. Remember Home Inspection is mostly recognition work and communication. The rest is at home in your library or can be accessed on the computer.:smiley:

Thanks Nick and Kevin for the other side of the coin. Whether online or classroom training, everyone has their preference and opinion. Currently with my lifstyle, online classes is my only choice, for resons that Nick has mentioned. Kevin, I do see where you are coming from and I have been through exactly what you said. While working fulltime in maintenance, it was decided (By my wife at the time) that I need to go back to school. I attended Penn State to get my Biomedical Engineering Technology degree. While taking classes, I was going through a divorce, but yet I stayed in school and finished. Thinking clearly at the time was extremely difficult!!! I have other certifications and licenses, none of which apply to this business (One of my personal favorites is my private pilot license). I’m trying not to toot my own horn, just giving examples of my ability to think clearly.

Chris, no I have not taken any sort of inspection related courses before taking the exam. While talking with ahit this week, they mentioned NACHI and suggested that I join after completing their course. I decided to look up the Nachi website and saw the InterNachi’s online inspector examination. I had a hour before getting ready to leave for work (where now I work in the IT profession at the same hospital) so I said, “What the heck.” I didn’t think much of it because it said you can take it over and over. I finished the questions within 40 minutes and scored in the high 80’s, granted if I would have taken my time I probably could have did better. I was just curious.

“Education” and “training” are not the same thing.

When properly produced, online education is certainly the best way to expand your knowledge base, but you cannot get adequate “training” online.

Hands-on experience can only be obtained by being “hands-on.” All the “theory” in the world does no good if you don’t know how to apply it hands-on.

Agreed. Especially commercial roofing IMHO. It really is helpful to get on a bunch of actual commercial building roofs with some experts.

I agree also.

repeated work with a professional in the field as an apprentice was in my comment.
You can get this now with Nachi TV as a start only.:smiley:

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Sean Being an electrician is a fantastic start , Now I ask you how good of an electrician do you think you would have been with only class room instruction .
I was an Electrician and My son was an Electrician .
He mentored with a experienced Homie and is ( I feel the best Home Inspector I know )
I mentored with My son many times before I went on my own .
I have now mentored many want to be home Inspectors .
Many did not follow though Three did and they too are very successful Home Inspectors .
Those I have met who did mentoring have been well prepared and where well experienced when they did their first inspections and made good money from the get go .
I am not saying you can not become a home Inspector with out mentoring but you will ( I feel ) be not fully prepared .

Send me an email if you would like to talk. Roycooke@sympatico.ca

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Sean lots of advice and opinions here, take note as you have everyone has different perspective. That done now ask for someone to be your mentor and see if any one will step forward.

New home inspector need advice Quote:
Originally Posted by rcooke http://nachi.cachefly.net/forum/images/2006/buttons/viewpost.gif
Field training with an experienced Home Inspector will be the best thing for you .
I did 60~ with my son and some with other Home Inspectors.
I had over 40 years in Construction and found this was huge help.
Remember use this forum non stop and you will get many ideas.
Unfortunatly past experience seems to confirm about 90% of new Inspectors do not last 3 years .
Many succesful Inspectors have an other income pension? or partner who help give support.
Please look up letter from Chuck Crooker it has good information

Chuck Crooker/CROOKERHANCOX HOME INSPECTIONS INC.
I think this is a very frustrating and difficult career to get into. Wonder they the colleges are not cranking out more inspectors?

Let me see if I can sum up the ideal requirements:
You need to have years of experience in the construction business or in one of the trades, which would take, well… years! Hard to get that coming out of a college!

You need to complete a ton of specialized courses that will cost you 4,000 to 6,000 or more, and take about 2 years of a lot of night school, while, presumably, you try to hold down a day job to pay for all this.

You need some equipment, ie: truck or van, ladders, and as many tools as you are foolish enough to use.

You need a reporting system - either computerized ( more bucks) or check off with comments, or… written. I forgot, most folks coming out of the school system would have to take a course on writing… and spelling … and maths…

Then once you have survived all of this cash outflow, you need to get some on the job training - lets say about 50 ride alongs with an experienced HI. Thats a trick, most are one man shops in an area where they do not want further competition, and live in fear of you stealing their contacts and future business, so that should really make this step a challenge, and take …well, years to complete 50 ride alongs!

You can join an association - preferably a professional one that will put you through a lot of hoops and steps and take months before you are allowed to practice inspections. Or, I suppose you could join some mail order group and have instant certification, which will likely be as recognizable to clients and Real Estate agents as any other “certification”.

Then you need insurance … if you can find a company that will insure a “newbie” and have still some money saved up to pay for the first year = lets say 5,000 to 6,000. Of course, you can decide to go without since by now, you probably will not have any assets left, and are highly unlikely to be able to afford any assets for the next several years if you survive in business as a home inspector.

Now, at last, 3 or 4 years later, you are ready to do inspections. Except that expensive cell phone and business line, are not ringing. So, you have to pound on doors, try to get by the pit bull at the front desk of most real estate firms, actually find an agent in the office, and willing to meet with you. You live in hope, that, once they recognize your lack of experience at inspections, but admire your young eagerness(?!) they will actually put you on their referral list - with all of the other inspectors they have used for years. Of course you will not see instances of agents pushing their “preferred” inspector since they are not allowed to do that!

So, once you are in business doing inspections, then the fall and winter arrive, and you are shocked to find out there is next to no inspection business due to the “slow” season in the Real Estate world. So, you have to face several months of no or negligible income with ongoing steady cash drains to support being in business. Opps, forgot all that money you have to find in order to advertize.

By now you have had to undercut all of the competition with the lowest rates in town in hopes that you will pull some business away from the more experienced inspectors out there, who, mysteriously are no longer talking to you. Suddenly you realize that you still do not have enough coming in to cover the costs. Should you have the misfortune of having to pay for an unhappy client, or worse yet, litigation - then you are really up the creek.

Suddenly, by year two or three, if you have made it that far, you wonder why did you even bother to spend all that time and money to get into a business, that, for many, is very stressful with constant concerns of litigation … and bankruptcy, especially when you realize that many experienced inspectors seem to last less than 7 years in this business, before burn out …or bankruptcy beats them down.

I forgot a couple of other ideal prerequisites, 1) independently wealthy - opps that probably means your assets are at risk
2) very understanding spouse who has a great career and is willing to support you, pay all the bills, watch the savings erode, while you struggle to make a go of this business.
3) a healthy retirement income, so you can enjoy this advocation without worry about making ends meet.

Since 1) and 2) are very hard to find these days, then, many inspectors likely fit into category 3)!

Gee, I wonder why so many are in the 50 to 60 age group?

Fear not, many baby boomers will be retiring so our ranks should continue to grow = with 50 to 60 year olds!

A very interesting statistic. Almost half of us are in the 50-60 age group with none under 30. Do you think this is because colleges aren’t promoting home inspection enough to entry level students.
Chuck Crooker CROOKERHANCOX HOME INSPECTIONS INC.

http://www.nachi.org/forum/f48/new-home-inspector-need-advice-50899/ prime example of one I can find zero record of now

I was already asked to mentor for one from the college and he has not even started the class that Mike Homes has indorsed.
I do not think that this is going to happen unless 10 of the listed ones go out of business and I cannot keep up with the demand.:frowning:
Still no idea who will teach the HI portion for 32 Kids.
2 YEARS AT $8000.00 WHAT THE HELL WERE THEY THINKING!:shock:

The best deal out there is go to http://www.homeinspectorpro.com/ purchase their software ($599) and get Nachi membership ($365) free for one year. That will include all the online courses you will need. So you actually get one of the best software packages for home inspection for $234.

Not real great deal. Report is softie. Training mediocre.

Save up & go to a classroom environment.

More & more states starting to require CLASSROOM training for initial training. Then online is OK for CE later on.

Incorrect. Not a single state has ever gone from permitting online education for initial training to prohibiting it and requiring classroom training only. Not one.

Many states have gone the other way though and have begun permitting InterNACHI’s free, online courses for pre-licensing, including:

…and many more have approved InterNACHI’s free, online inspection courses for continuing education. See right column of www.nachi.org/education.htm and scroll down.

But states that previously did not have licensing, are requiring classroom training for initial training. Online is fine if you have a previous point of reference in your memory. A powerpoint presentation is the same regardless of where you view it and that is Nick’s point. BUT, if it is a good, hand’s on class with actual electrical panels, furnaces, roofing sections, and other touchy / feely training, that is superior to online only.

Exactly, and if you don’t know how a House is built from the ground up, well, you’d basically be in a “Fog” for quite some time, until you know exactly how a house is built.

And/Or…Kinda like taking an online course for Brain Surgery, then advertising as a Brain Surgeon as soon as the course ended----:stuck_out_tongue: