Questions of the week 12/04/16

[kramm (Kenneth A. Ramm)]

@btoye

I know Paul. But I think what you call the box has to do with what it’s purpose is. If it has a blank cover on it, it’s a junction box. I didn’t picture the question to well.

You had it right.
It’s a j-box period and it is above a recessed light.
As Paul wrote the recessed light fixture can be removed, therefore it is accessible.
Now is it ideal? :roll:

314.29 Boxes, Conduit Bodies, and Handhole Enclosures
to Be Accessible. Boxes, conduit bodies, and handhole
enclosures shall be installed so that the wiring contained
in them can be rendered accessible without removing
any part of the building or, in underground circuits, without
excavating sidewalks, paving, earth, or other substance that
is to be used to establish the finished grade.

Exception: Listed boxes and handhole enclosures shall be
permitted where covered by gravel, light aggregate, or noncohesive
granulated soil if their location is effectively identified
and accessible for excavation.

Accessible (as applied to wiring methods). Capable of
being removed or exposed without damaging the building
structure or finish or not permanently closed in by the structure
or finish of the building.

[btoye (Bradley Toye, CMI)]

@kramm

You had it right.
It’s a j-box period and it is above a recessed light.
As Paul wrote the recessed light fixture can be removed, therefore it is accessible.
Now is it ideal? :roll:

See, that’s the thing that threw me off. He didn’t specifically say the recessed light can be removed in the question. I don’t know many can lights that can be removed unless they are remodel type can lights.

[rlewis5 (Roy Lewis, CERTIFIED MASTER INSPECTOR RETIRED)]

@btoye

The question was misleading. Most of us think of a junction box as being used to splice wiring in a branch circuit with no other purpose. A box used for attaching a device or fixture is called an outlet box, which are always accessible when you remove the device. There are other types for different uses.

Yep!

[plesieur (Paul Lesieur, CMI)]

Well, in defense of my question and and as someone said “what you call the box defines it”, right?

Junction boxes come in a couple dozen configurations a few are made to hang lights. In that regard a junction box can feed power to multiple lights and switches which in turn means any box used for this purpose is a junction box as well as a fixture holding box.

I won’t say I don’t make mistakes now and then but I do research before setting the questions and when I have pictures from electrical supply companies to back my question I feel pretty sure I can pose the question as asked.

[jolson8 (John Olson)]

Thanks Paul for making us think and learn.

[plesieur (Paul Lesieur, CMI)]

I think I learned to be even more careful with the questions.

[rlewis5 (Roy Lewis, CERTIFIED MASTER INSPECTOR RETIRED)]

@plesieur

I think I learned to be even more careful with the questions.

Naw! Tell me it ain’t true…LOL!

[plesieur (Paul Lesieur, CMI)]

@rlewis5

Naw! Tell me it ain’t true…LOL!

With your guidance Mr Lewis

[rlewis5 (Roy Lewis, CERTIFIED MASTER INSPECTOR RETIRED)]

I knew you were gonna get flack over a few of those questions…
I still haven’t figure the one out about the junction box.

[rlewis5 (Roy Lewis, CERTIFIED MASTER INSPECTOR RETIRED)]

“A junction box is facing down and installed in a joist bay above a recessed light. Is the J box considered accessible?”

Was the question about this?
(I can’t insert an image here from my PC…wonder why?)
I’ll email the image to you.
Email me your email addy…
I can’t find it on you site.

[plesieur (Paul Lesieur, CMI)]

I can handle the flack.

Nice signature by the way. CMI logo looks real good.
how did you do that?

[rlewis5 (Roy Lewis, CERTIFIED MASTER INSPECTOR RETIRED)]

@plesieur

I can handle the flack.

Nice signature by the way. CMI logo looks real good.
how did you do that?

It in control panel edit signature …Here is my code…
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[plesieur (Paul Lesieur, CMI)]

Nice. Thanks Roy.

[rlewis5 (Roy Lewis, CERTIFIED MASTER INSPECTOR RETIRED)]

@plesieur

Nice. Thanks Roy.

Again! Email me so I can have your address… I’m on a new PC and lost most of my email address…

[plesieur (Paul Lesieur, CMI)]

@rlewis5

Again! Email me so I can have your address… I’m on a new PC and lost most of my email address…

paul@silvertreeinspections.com

[plesieur (Paul Lesieur, CMI)]

Recessed into a J- box.
There are other types also.

[rlewis5 (Roy Lewis, CERTIFIED MASTER INSPECTOR RETIRED)]

Are you referring to the lights j box?

[btoye (Bradley Toye, CMI)]

@plesieur

Recessed into a J- box.
There are other types also.

That looks like a LED conversion kit. They are installed inside the existing recessed can.

[btoye (Bradley Toye, CMI)]

I guess there is nothing in the NEC that prohibits a J-box above a recessed light (separate from the light connection box itself). Just not a good idea.

http://www.electriciantalk.com/f5/junction-box-recessed-light-39668/

[plesieur (Paul Lesieur, CMI)]

Yeah, LED conversion can go right into a J-box.

There are other examples also.