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[jjimenez (Juan C. Jimenez)]

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Post: “My Engineer on Call” …]("My Engineer on Call" ... - Legislation, Licensing, Ethics & Legal Issues - InterNACHI®️ Forum)
Forum: General Inspection Discussion
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Posted by: jbushart
Original Content:

@ldapkus1

Hey Jack Daniels,
Are you selling private information that belongs to your client to an alarms lead broker (being compensated with “incentives”) and concealing from your client your agreement to be compensated by the broker, after including in your contract certain language that does not identify the broker or any specific company but, instead, simply obtains their permission to receive telephone contact that the broker can use to bypass a “no call” list?

What are your thoughts about the people who supply the leads to brokers so that they can dothis?:p:p

For some reason, Troy will not answer this question on this part of the message board where the public can read it. I’ve asked him several times and he evades it.

It probably has something to do with how ethical it is for him to do this and how it helps him to “grow his business”.

But then, he does require Thornberry’s written permission to acknowledge to anyone … including his client … that he is contracted to sell the personal and private information belonging to his client to Thornberry for the use of attempting to sell him an alarm system. By this, I am assuming that he is not allowed to discuss it with you or I, either.

[jbushart (James H. Bushart)]

He is not allowed, by his contract with Thornberry, to acknowledge the “existence” of his agreement with Thornberry to sell his clients personal information to him to any third party without Thornberry’s permission. He must keep his contractual relationship … to sell his clients personal information in exchange for compensation … a secret from his client or anyone else.

9. Confidentiality. All information provided to RWS pursuant to this Agreement or Exhibit A hereto and **the existence of this Agreement or any Alarm Inspection, Incentive or Program is confidential. Inspector will not divulge any such information to any third party except as required by law or as authorized by RWS in a prior written agreement. All such information shall be exclusive property of RWS.

I think that is pretty clear. There is nothing false in my post, even if members were moderated.

Your pal, Troy, invited himself to come along and support the alarm leads broker to whom he is selling his clients personal information to, but doesn’t want to publicly acknowledge that he is doing it. Seems pretty odd for something he claims to be so ethical and correct. As far as I know, he entered the conversation voluntarily.

Do you also sell your clients personal information to the alarm leads broker for compensation that you conceal from them … and then add language to your contract so that Thornberry can bypass the “no call” list that they might be on to protect themselves from harassing alarm leads salesmen?

Or do you just think that it is unethical to speak publicly about what a home inspector does that is unethical to his client?

Openly challenging vendors is a membership benefit. If you decide, on your own, to jump into the cross hairs to defend him don’t complain when you get an a s s full of buckshot.

[ldapkus1]

@jbushart

He is not allowed, by his contract with Thornberry, to acknowledge the “existence” of his agreement with Thornberry to sell his clients personal information to him to any third party without Thornberry’s permission. He must keep his contractual relationship … to sell his clients personal information in exchange for compensation … a secret from his client or anyone else.

I think that is pretty clear. There is nothing false in my post, even if members were moderated.

Your pal, Troy, invited himself to come along and support the alarm leads broker to whom he is selling his clients personal information to, but doesn’t want to publicly acknowledge that he is doing it. Seems pretty odd for something he claims to be so ethical and correct. As far as I know, he entered the conversation voluntarily.

I agree with Jim, as do many others.
Little Juan tries hard to protect his fellow information sales team.:p:p

[canderson5 (Cameron Anderson)]

It’s a waste of time Juan. James Bushart, as Mike would say, is a “known ethics violator” and has been sanctioned in the past for his offenses while a member of the ESOP. This has all been stated by the current ESOP chair who refuses to enforce any ethics rules James currently violates. This is all being done to send a message to Nick, who’s decisions they disagree with. I also suspect this group of long time members fully agree with and therefore are supporting one another to keep this drama alive.

Thank goodness our law enforcement don’t pout and refuse to uphold the law when they disagree with a court decision. Toothless or neutered or childish leadership should never be allowed to remain in place and play games.

[jbushart (James H. Bushart)]

@canderson5

It’s a waste of time Juan. James Bushart, as Mike would say, is a “known ethics violator” and has been sanctioned in the past for his offenses while a member of the ESOP. This has all been stated by the current ESOP chair who refuses to enforce any ethics rules James currently violates. This is all being done to send a message to Nick, who’s decisions they disagree with. I also suspect this group of long time members fully agree with and therefore are supporting one another to keep this drama alive.

Thank goodness our law enforcement don’t pout and refuse to uphold the law when they disagree with a court decision. Toothless or neutered or childish leadership should never be allowed to remain in place and play games.

LOL.

[tpappas (Troy N. Pappas)]

Below is Jim’s idea of ethical behavior. Pathetic.

This is not the ethics anyone should aspire to adhere to when trying to have a MB conversation with other members.

I have had my business practices reviewed by my attorney and there is nothing illegal or unethical about them.

To say otherwise is a lie.

[mlarson (Michael Larson, WI Lic. # 1672-106)]

@tpappas

Below is Jim’s idea of ethical behavior. Pathetic.

This is not the ethics anyone should aspire to adhere to when trying to have a MB conversation with other members.

I have had my business practices reviewed by my attorney and there is nothing illegal or unethical about them.

To say otherwise is a lie.

Those who buy snake oil that happen to get positive results attribute those results to the snake oil.

I suppose it does help to sell more snake oil to the gullible.

[jbushart (James H. Bushart)]

@tpappas

Below is Jim’s idea of ethical behavior. Pathetic.

This is not the ethics anyone should aspire to adhere to when trying to have a MB conversation with other members.

I have had my business practices reviewed by my attorney and there is nothing illegal or unethical about them.

To say otherwise is a lie.

There are states where it is illegal - and where a home inspector can lose his license - for accepting compensation (directly or indirectly) from a service provider that he recommends to a client.

The same activity is prohibited by ASHI’s code of ethics. The ASHI President of a very populated area with a very large ASHI membership has published that it was unethical for ASHI members to participate in such a scam as this.

There is a reason that you were required to sign a contract that forbids you to tell anyone … including your client … about the “existence” and the terms of your agreement with Thornberry to be compensated for selling him private information about your cleint, but he won’t tell what it is.

It might be the same reason why, in your agreement with Thornberry, you must add a provision to your contract that - upon signing your contract for a home inspection - every client also signs away his rights under any “no call” list he has put his name on.

Why all the secrecy and confidentiality about a process that is alleged to be so ethical and legal ---- except where it is specifically declared to be illegal and unethical? Particularly, why is the client whose personal information is the commodity being brokered left totally out of the loop? Why does the client not know that you are being compensated … and why are you forbidden, by contract, to tell him?

I don’t think you are a crook … but I am not convinced that Thornberry isn’t. Neither are others who you will be hearing and reading from, soon.

[mlarson (Michael Larson, WI Lic. # 1672-106)]

@nthornberry

And to those that work 8 years at it to have less than 3 calls a week, or go out of the business entirely like Bushart, to what do you attribute these results?

Why would I go out of business?

You don’t make any sense.

8 years and still happy.

Is the heat getting too hot for you Nate?

Your personal attacks mean nothing except maybe that those of who call you out are probably right to do so.

So keep it up, it helps people see who they are dealing with.

Have a nice day Putz.

[jbushart (James H. Bushart)]

@nthornberry

Wow, you call my services snake oil and in return all I ask is an explanation for your lack of success. Pretty tame really.

Let’s get real about the kind of behavior you and Bushart and Linas engage in. Not one single client complains about me, so you make up a fake person to come on the message board. Not even a client still, but when no one else will agree that’s what you resort to. Many clients come here and say, “hey, this is great”, and you chastise them for it. There’s been multiple threads in the last week where you guys say, “look- there’s a problem with Thornberry’s product!” and then as soon as it ends, as it often does, in “Nathan was helpful, this situation turned out great!” you simply stop responding.

Don’t get me wrong, if I was losing debates every single day on the forum I based my life on like you guys, I might be lashing out as well. I don’t blame you, we all just feel sorry for you.

But you can’t say something like “oh, you used the snake oil and saw success, doesn’t mean it was the snake oil” when so many have had the same results and posted them here, and then when I come back with “well, without the snake oil you and Jim seem to have similar results” and you just call names.

Give a justification. Answer a question for once in your life. Try to make sense because no one here respects you.

Whatever you do, if you three jackasses could refrain from making personal statements like the one above that would be great. Thanks for reporting it Juan, even if it doesn’t do any good.

LOL.

[mlarson (Michael Larson, WI Lic. # 1672-106)]

It’s OK Nathan.

Better get that AC serviced.

Why are you so concerned with any respect for me?

Is that what you seek for yourself?

Good luck with that. I think that ship has sailed and you missed the boat.

[mlarson (Michael Larson, WI Lic. # 1672-106)]

@nthornberry

Actually, I don’t live here like you do. I could care less.

Just making an observation! Still no answer to my question though, huh?

Keep asking.

Maybe you will get lucky.

Where and how I live is of no concern of yours but thanks for your concern.

You can send me a check if you feel I need it. PayPal works fine too.

1146 Partridge Ln N
Hudson, WI 54016

[mlarson (Michael Larson, WI Lic. # 1672-106)]

I think any inspector’s personal success has something like 99% to do with their personal efforts and 1% for everything else.

There are those who will claim otherwise.

[mlarson (Michael Larson, WI Lic. # 1672-106)]

@nthornberry

Oh I’m with you there! Everyone makes the decision to be successful or not.

So why is it that this same group of guys, exhibiting failure by just about any measure of it, all have the same mindset, while those lighting the world on fire go the opposite direction?

A free clue Nathan.

Everyone gets to decide for themselves what they consider to be success.

I for one am tired of your one size fits all crap, personal attacks, lies, undocumented assertions, and general bull****.