Originally Posted By: jpope
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Originally Posted By: gbeaumont
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Hi to all,
Jeff, what's wrong with you man, don't you recognize a "T" shirt warmer when you see one, that's the problem with you guys in warmer climes, you don't recognize Yankee ingenuity at it's finest.   
Can you ship me some of those they look all warm and toasty and it's cold here
Regards
Gerry
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Originally Posted By: wpedley
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Guys,
I ran into this same problem yesterday!! The poor client wouldn't let me take pics of them closet warmers. Every closet had the lights like this. I
told him it was a fire hazard and he just laughed.    
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Originally Posted By: jtedesco
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Nearly every fire requires an initial heat source, an initial fuel source, and an action that brings them together. The requirements of 410.5, 410.6, 410.7, and 410.8 regulate only the placement of the heat source. It is important to remember that successful fire prevention is most likely to come about if the initial heat source and initial fuel source are treated with due care. Tests have shown that hot particles from broken incandescent lamps can ignite combustibles below the lamps.
410.8 Luminaires (Fixtures) in Clothes Closets.
(A) Definition.
Storage Space. The volume bounded by the sides and back closet walls and planes extending from the closet floor vertically to a height of 1.8 m (6 ft) or the highest clothes-hanging rod and parallel to the walls at a horizontal distance of 600 mm (24 in.) from the sides and back of the closet walls, respectively, and continuing vertically to the closet ceiling parallel to the walls at a horizontal distance of 300 mm (12 in.) or the width of the shelf, whichever is greater; for a closet that permits access to both sides of a hanging rod, this space includes the volume below the highest rod extending 300 mm (12 in.) on either side of the rod on a plane horizontal to the floor extending the entire length of the rod.
FPN:See Figure 410.8.
The 24-in. rule is intended to cover the clothes-hanging space, even if no clothes-hanging rod is installed. If a clothes-hanging rod is installed, the space extends from the floor to the top of the highest rod. If no clothes-hanging rod is installed, the space extends from the floor to a height of 6 ft.
In addition to the space in which clothing will be hung from the closet pole or rod, this requirement also establishes a 12-in. wide shelf space to cover those installations where shelving is not in place at the time of fixture installation. If shelving is installed and the shelves are wider than 12 in., the greater width must be applied in establishing this space.
The storage space for closets that permit access to both sides of the clothes-hanging rod is based on a horizontal plane extending 12 in. from both sides of the rod, from the rod down to the floor. This equates to the 24-in. space required for the closet rod where there is only one direction of access.
Figure 410.8 Closet storage space.
(B) Luminaire (Fixture) Types Permitted. Listed luminaires (fixtures) of the following types shall be permitted to be installed in a closet:
(1) A surface-mounted or recessed incandescent luminaire (fixture) with a completely enclosed lamp
(2) A surface-mounted or recessed fluorescent luminaire (fixture)
(C) Luminaire (Fixture) Types Not Permitted. Incandescent luminaires (fixtures) with open or partially enclosed lamps and pendant luminaires (fixtures) or lampholders shall not be permitted.
See the commentary following 410.8(D)(3).
(D) Location. Luminaires (fixtures) in clothes closets shall be permitted to be installed as follows:
(1) Surface-mounted incandescent luminaires (fixtures) installed on the wall above the door or on the ceiling, provided there is a minimum clearance of 300 mm (12 in.) between the luminaire (fixture) and the nearest point of a storage space
(2) Surface-mounted fluorescent luminaires (fixtures) installed on the wall above the door or on the ceiling, provided there is a minimum clearance of 150 mm (6 in.) between the luminaire (fixture) and the nearest point of a storage space
(3) Recessed incandescent luminaires (fixtures) with a completely enclosed lamp installed in the wall or the ceiling, provided there is a minimum clearance of 150 mm (6 in.) between the luminaire (fixture) and the nearest point of a storage space
The requirement in 410.8(D)(3) results from tests that have shown that a hot filament falling from a broken incandescent lamp can ignite combustible material below the luminaire in which the lamp is installed.
(4) Recessed fluorescent luminaires (fixtures) installed in the wall or the ceiling, provided there is a minimum clearance of 150 mm (6 in.) between the luminaire (fixture) and the nearest point of a storage space
Note that the clearance measurement for each requirement in 410.8(D) is to the luminaire and not to the lamp itself.
It is not mandatory to install a luminaire in a clothes closet; if one is installed, however, the conditions for installation are as required by 410.8(D).
The requirements of 410.8(D) apply to incandescent and fluorescent lighting in clothes closets of various kinds of occupancies. The requirement is intended to prevent hot lamps or parts of broken lamps from coming in contact with boxes, cartons, blankets, and the like, stored on shelves, and clothing hung in closets.
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Originally Posted By: roconnor
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Glad I could help with describing the situation …
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