State Farm Four Point Poll

Agreed, I believe $350 as a stand alone and $200 with a home inspection would be fair in most cases, but I’m just not interested in dealing with all the bull associated with insurance inspections.

Although I am beginning to see Robert Sheppard’s point in classifying insurance inspections as “home inspections with exclusions”, unfortunately I find it very hard to believe that Florida home inspectors will ever be able to be fairly compensated for these inspections.

Anyway… Thanks for the reply, I did a search and found this post where Blaine mentioned Muller Services, unfortunately there is nothing on their website where I could point a homeowner seeking a State Farm Four Point inspection.

Another person, besides Bill and Eric, is seeing the light…I have exorcised the demons!:mrgreen:

If it is not regulated then no action can be taken on the license. It has nothing to do with the SOP. Anything you do can add liability and anyone can sue for almost any reason.

http://www.myfloridalicense.com/dbpr/pro/homein/documents/ds_04_2011-031.pdf

If you leave out sections, it is not a home inspection by state statute.

All that being said we do not do many of them, maybe we charge too much. Since we are not interested in doing them for the current prices it really does not matter.

You need to go back and read it again, what it states is that any inspection that does not meet the complete inspection standard is not required to be licensed as a “home inspector”. And, Reliable does not hold themselves out to be “home inspectors”…they also do not work for the general public, they do inspections for insurance companies only(read what you posted). The conclusion wasn’t that home inspectors didn’t have to follow their standards during 4-point and wind mitigations, it was that reliable’s inspectors didn’t hold themselves out to the general public for hire as home inspectors, or any other name pertainaing to home inspections, and therefore were not required to be licensed as home inspectors.

Sounds like thin ice, I mean if its not regulated… Why is it that our license number is required on the form?

:mrgreen:

I am curious… What bull is associated with insurance inspections? I have done over 5000 insurance inspections and have only had a problem with maybe 5. No call backs, no hassle, no problem — Liability is next to nothing if you ask me.

AND – Who can charge $300 and get a phone call? I’m pretty well liked by my agents, but they would NEVER refer me at even $200 — Lot of smoke blowing going on here… You can command anything you want… but your phone won’t ring

Fortunately, I didn’t base my business model on working for insurance companies who hold no respect for my profession, as I said before… No insurance company can compel me to work for them, I’m nobody’s surf.

No Employees, No Gimmicks, No Problems.

That’s a pretty amazing record. Every one I do has problems. Most recent my client wanted me to change the report if I accept a hold harmless letter from him so he could close. Maybe I should have told him to call you. Or he can call that other company that dirsnt write anything down.

The OIR asks that a “qualified” person fill-out the form but they have no jurisdiction over the licenses that fill it out. Not smart but the facts.

You are under the allusion they like you they really do not give a **** about you personally and should not even be quoting your prices.

IF THEY LIKED YOU they would try to help you make as much money as possible. That is what I do for folks I like.

This is not meant to offend you DQ as I think you are AOK but please do not believe the agents give a rats *** about you.

Push came to shove sale or no sale they will toss you in a heartbeat for those who make the sale happen.

I learned that the hard way. Just make what you can while you can but never think they really give a crap about you because they do not.

I understand where you are coming from… I consider them to “like me” if they are using me for there inspections. My whole point was that as inspectors we sometimes create are own problems. I have done enough of these inspections to know all the variables to report on. I give the underwriters enough info that they do not need to call me or reject the report.

Things are changing in our state, buyers/owners alike are getting more savy as towards understanding what is to be expected and who is liable. It’s not just property owners who are getting smarter, it’s inspectors as well. I get 2-3 calls a week to review something related to a 4-point or wind mitigation. I would say 80%+ are wrong or misinformed, and now that you have insurance as require by your licensure…we have something to go after. It’s just a matter of time…

Me too, Just remember no one really gives a crap bout you except “maybe” us :slight_smile:

I think this is the first time I have ever agreed with Joe Biden!!!:smiley:

Comments on Four Point Inspections, Mitigation Inspections and Home Inspections per Florida requirements. My opinion and Florida Statutes and Rules. Not all parts of the Statute or Rule provided.

I definitely agree with the people who have pre-inspection agreements with their clients when they do these types of inspections.

I do very few Four Point and Mitigation inspections as stand-a-lone inspections. When I do these inspections they are identified as Insurance Inspections and not a Home Inspection.

Florida Home Inspections.

468.8311Definitions.—As used in this part, the term:
 (3)“Home inspector” means any person who provides or offers to provide home inspection services for a fee or other compensation.
 (4)“Home inspection services” means a limited visual examination of the following readily accessible installed systems and components of a home: the structure, electrical system, HVAC system, roof covering, plumbing system, interior components, exterior components, and site conditions that affect the structure, for the purposes of providing a written professional opinion of the condition of the home.

As stated above a Home Inspection is a limited visual examination of the following…

Home Inspection Rules:
61-30.101 Definitions.
As used in this chapter, the following terms have the following meanings:

(15) Inspect: To examine readily accessible systems and components of a home in accordance with the Standards of Practice adopted by the Department in Rules 61-30.801 through 61-30.811, F.A.C.

A Home Inspection is a limited visual examination of the eight systems and components of a home in accordance with SOP Rules 61-30.801 through 61-30.811.

Also required per 468.8311 (4)
for the purposes of providing a written professional opinion of the condition of the home.

468.8323 Home inspection report.—Upon completion of each home inspection for compensation, the home inspector shall provide a written report prepared for the client.
 (1)The home inspector shall report:
 (a)On those systems and components inspected that, in the professional opinion of the inspector, are significantly deficient or are near the end of their service lives.
 (b)If not self-evident, a reason why the system or component reported under paragraph (a) is significantly deficient or near the end of its service life.
 ©Any systems and components that were present at the time of the inspection but were not inspected, and a reason they were not inspected.
After the Home Inspection we provide a written report
On those systems and components inspected that, in the professional opinion of the inspector, are significantly deficient or are near the end of their service lives.

61-30.101 Definitions.
As used in this chapter, the following terms have the following meanings:

(26) Service Life: Service life is the expected lifetime, or the acceptable period of use in service of a particular system or component. It is the time that any manufactured item can be expected to be “serviceable,” providing proper maintenance has taken place over the period concerned. Service life may vary from region to region, and inspection to inspection based on the home being inspected and the professional opinion and findings of the inspector.

(28) Significantly Deficient: Not operating in the manner in which the system or component was designed to operate or creates a significant risk of personal injury during normal, day-to-day use.

So, a Home Inspection is a limited visual inspection of the eight systems and components of a home with a written report on items that are “Significantly Deficient” or “or are near the end of their service lives”.

Note that you are not required to say anything or describe anything about the home except items that are significantly deficient or near the end of service life.

Four Point and Mitigation Inspections want items described, etc. This is not a requirement of a Home Inspection.

Also per SOP Rule 61-30.801(1) you only report on items significantly deficient or at the end of their service life.

*61-30.801 **Standards of Practice, General. *
*(1) …and to report on those systems and components inspected that, in the professional opinion of the inspector, are significantly deficient or at the end of their service lives. *

*61-30.801(2) Standards of Practice, General. *
(2) These standards shall not be construed as limiting the scope of the inspection process in those areas where the inspector is qualified and/or has special knowledge.

You are allowed to expand the scope of the inspection.

*61-30.801 Standards of Practice, General. *
(7) These Standards of Practice do not limit inspectors from:
© Excluding systems and components from the inspection if agreed upon in writing by the inspector and client.

You are also allowed to exclude systems and components from the inspection.

A Florida Home Inspection is a limited visual inspection of the eight systems and components of a home with a written report identifying items that are significantly deficiently or at the end of its service life.

Items can be added or omitted if agreed to in writing by the inspector and the client.

Mitigation Inspections.

This is a form put out by a Florida government agency with no real guidance other than the form itself on how to fill-out.
I have attended/completed several courses on Mitigation and completing the form.
These courses don’t say the same thing on how to complete the form. They have their own opinion on how the form should be done.

Uniform Mitigation Verification Inspection Form

  1. Was the structure built in compliance with the Florida Building Code (FBC 2001 or later).
    A. Built in compliance with the FBC: Year Built ______.

As shown above #1 on the form.
NOTE: Any documentation used in validating the compliance or existence of each construction or mitigation attribute must accompany this form.

For #1 above, you could provide the Certificate of Occupancy sign off which contains: A statement that the described portion of the structure has been inspected for compliance with the requirements of the building code. Always include permit date.

You also might use other inspection sign offs, depending on what is stated.

My biggest concern/liability.

Roof Deck Attachment / Roof to Wall Attachment
What is the WEAKEST…

This is basically impossible to answer unless the entire Roof Deck/Roof to Wall has been inspected and then you can determine the weakest.

Pre-Inspection agreements are a must for all inspections.

Richard Haynes

8o% is a strong #…care to share some examples of some deficiencies that in your opinion (and got past the underwriters) were not.

Liability insurance is required for the HI license not E&O.

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