Tankless Water Heater

Originally Posted By: jpope
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Has anybody seen these yet? It claims that it provides “endless” hot water. I’m told they are quite common in Europe.


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Originally Posted By: gmagee
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Jeff -


I ran across an Aquastar model 240FX last week. Did you get a photo of the vent cap?


Originally Posted By: rmoore
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Jeff…


I've seen a couple so far. Same brand, one in a basement, and one in a garage. Frankly, aside from a visual of the connections, and measuring the water temp at a faucet, I had no idea how what else I should be looking for. Mine were "direct-vent" to the exterior wall, but I notice yours says "Outdoor Installation Only".

I took the cover off the first one, and then stuck it back on after assuring myself I didn't know diddly-squat about it. ![icon_eek.gif](upload://yuxgmvDDEGIQPAyP9sRnK0D0CCY.gif) But here's a photo.




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Originally Posted By: Brian A. Goodman
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I took the cover off the first one, and then stuck it back on after assuring myself I didn’t know diddly-squat about it.


It was still a good idea to take a look Richard (if the cover wasn't a mother). You don't have to understand much about them to spot burnt wiring, etc.

I looked at a few of these for myself a couple of years ago. They ran around $600 to start back then (ouch!). It's a soild idea, but I'll wait for 'em to come down a little.


Originally Posted By: gbeaumont
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Hi to all,


Jeff, you are correct, not too common here but very popular in parts of the world where space is at a premiumum, as Richard says normally these are "indoor" and direct vented. they are very efficient little units as you are only heating water on demand.

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Originally Posted By: rcallis
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Jeff


I've had one of these Rinnai units for about 5 years and have been very pleased with it. I work for a company that sells them. The units do a fantastic job and have few problems. One caution, if you live in a area that gets freezing temperatures buy the insulated box to protect the piping.

Reggie


Originally Posted By: Guest
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I own the Bosch aquastar and chose it over the competitve brands because it’s very simple and has few electronics. 8gpm @ 70 degree rise. Variable gas input and a mixing valve accomodate lower flow rates down to about 1/2 gallon a minute. I don’t like it for shaving…when you want to just let the hot water dribble to rinse the razor, the unit won’t kick on. Other than the unit’s been a workhorse for 7 years with no problems.


I’m toying with the idea of using one as a boiler for a radiant floor system.


Originally Posted By: jsavino
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Why is the controll box mounted outside wall. Makes more sense to mount it on the kitchen wall of even a utility close wall.



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Originally Posted By: gbeaumont
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Chad wrote:
I'm toying with the idea of using one as a boiler for a radiant floor system.


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Originally Posted By: Guest
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Gerry,


Relax, it's rated for the use. I like the idea because it's just over 90% efficient and self regulating. Manual reset high temp shut offs, low water sensors and pressure valves are employed.


Originally Posted By: jsavino
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Chad,


It might be better to run a water heater instead. I installed heating zones using a 30 gallon w/h, a domestic circulator and mixing valve. It delivered 160 degree water to the Modine blower unit and maintained 115 degrees to the house.


( there was a forced warm air system in the house, thats why i used the w/h)



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Originally Posted By: gbeaumont
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Chad wrote:
Relax, it's rated for the use.


Well, I got to tell you I never new that ![icon_sad.gif](upload://nMBtKsE7kuDHGvTX96IWpBt1rTb.gif) I had visions of you cobbling something together out of old brake lines, duct tape and a demister control valve from an '89 Taurus

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Originally Posted By: jpope
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gmagee wrote:
Jeff -
I ran across an Aquastar model 240FX last week. Did you get a photo of the vent cap?


There is no vent cap. The first picture shows the entire unit.


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Originally Posted By: rmoore
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Don’t know about radiant floor, but my second was also being used to feed half a dozen wall mounted, fan assisted, convectors. Small house, about 1000sf and, as it was about 85F in July, I have no idea how efficient it was. The house committed suicide for a number of other reasons, so I won’t be able to find out.


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Brian Goodman wrote: It was still a good idea to take a look Richard (if the cover wasn't a mother). You don't have to understand much about them to spot burnt wiring, etc.

Brian...good point. BTW...welcome to the NACHI BB. I've always enjoyed your posts over at that other site.


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Originally Posted By: rwashington
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What are we to inspect on these anyway? Fortunately, I have not run into one yet.



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Originally Posted By: jstone
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I have heard that these tankless heaters can be a problem in hard water areas. Apparently the pipes can clog up enough to reduce flow quite a bit.


Considering that most of the country has hard water to some degree, it could be a common problem.


Don't know from personal experience, just what I have heard from the grapevine.


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Originally Posted By: keith wagner
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Reference: picture of Rinnai tankless water heater. Why does the water inlet and hot water outlet have flexible hose connections and why are there loops in them? Is this necessary or can they be hard plumbed?


Originally Posted By: pdacey
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The flex connectors are cheap and easy. They have a loop because that was probably the shortest length that Home Depot had. I wouldn’t think you’d have to use flex. But it makes it easier to change out the unit in the future.



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Originally Posted By: jpope
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Not necessary, just more practical. It makes for easier installation and, if need be, replacement. It would be like “hard plumbing” a sink faucet, not too practical. California plumbers love flex. They’ll use it wherever it’s allowed.


The loops aren't "needed" either.


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Originally Posted By: jpope
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I came across another one of these the other day. It was tucked up in a closet above the washer and dryer.


This one is an indoor model.

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