2 pronged outlets

I guess I should have been a little more clear. Basically everything outside of the kitchen other than clothes washing machine. Which all should be on a GFCI anyway, except for the washing machine.

Chris, I thought all laundry rooms had to be on GFCI’s.
210.8(A)(10) Ground-Fault Circuit-Interrupter Protection for Personnel. Laundry Areas..
Unless the house was all on AFCI’s

I believe it is that way up here, too, Marcel.

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210.8
(A) Dwelling Units. All 125-volt, single-phase, 15- and 20-
ampere receptacles installed in the locations specified in
210.8(A)(1) through (10) shall have ground-fault circuitinterrupter
protection for personnel.
(1) Bathrooms
(2) Garages, and also accessory buildings that have a floor
located at or below grade level not intended as habitable
rooms and limited to storage areas, work areas, and
areas of similar use
(3) Outdoors
Exception to (3): Receptacles that are not readily accessible and are
supplied by a branch circuit dedicated to electric snow-melting, deicing,
or pipeline and vessel heating equipment shall be permitted to be installed
in accordance with 426.28 or 427.22, as applicable.
(4) Crawl spaces — at or below grade level
(5) Unfinished portions or areas of the basement not intended
as habitable rooms
Exception to (5): A receptacle supplying only a permanently installed
fire alarm or burglar alarm system shall not be required to have groundfault
circuit-interrupter protection.
Informational Note: See 760.41(B) and 760.121(B) for power
supply requirements for fire alarm systems.
Receptacles installed under the exception to
210.8(A)(5) shall not be considered as meeting the
requirements of 210.52(G).
(6) Kitchens — where the receptacles are installed to serve
the countertop surfaces
(7) Sinks — where receptacles are installed within 1.8 m
(6 ft) from the top inside edge of the bowl of the sink
(8) Boathouses
(9) Bathtubs or shower stalls — where receptacles are installed
within 1.8 m (6 ft) of the outside edge of the bathtub
or shower stall
(10) Laundry areas

Isn’t it ALL areas of the kitchen, now?. :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

My copy is 2017 so you could be right.

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No, countertops only (and obviously near sinks), but others need to be AFCI in the kitchen.

It is in my area Larry, even the refrigerator.

The refrigerator, the sump pump and garage door openers are the ones that used to make me scratch my head. Although I understand why, IMO some code requirements go too far.

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Here in NJ the DCA who controls and can amend the NEC still allows the pre-2008 GFCI exceptions that allow a single receptacle for a sump pump without GFCI protection.

I never thought it was a good idea, who wants the GFCI device possibly tripping during a storm killing power to the sump pump, although I do always recommend water driven back-up systems in the event of a power outage.

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I agree, there are battery backup systems but they’re pretty useless in a major storm because the battery won’t last very long. As you’ve suggested a water backup system is the best option.

Unless you are on a Private Water System which depends on electricity to operate!

Multiple battery or back-up generator it is!

Good point! Not really an issue around here because not many homes have electricity driven wells. I would hope that someone on a well would be smart enough not to install a water driven sump pump for backup. :smiley:

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Freshly installed in a 2007 home = YES

Original install in a 1955 home = NO … just a condition

While we’re having this discussion and having already pointed out the scarcity of outlets in early electrical installations, the problem with too few outlets is extension cords. Most extension cords are 16 gauge wire. With multiple extension outlets used simultaneously the current rating of the extension cord can be easily exceeded without tripping the homes OCPD. This will cause the extension cord to overheat and in many instances causes a fire. To make matters worse some extension cord insulation is actually flammable! Warn your clients extension cords are for very limited temporary use only.

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Exactly! And remember that those cheap arse power strips from Dollar Stores, Lowes, etc. are no better, and offer a very false sense of security!!

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IMO the biggest issue with 2 prong outlets is the temptation to use cheaters for three prong devices, along with a lack of receptacles resulting in multiple power strips and extension cords being used

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