220 used as a 110

[Mike_Arbusto]

@belliott

Start cringing as that is what I have always called it. Except it’s 110 and 220.

I doubt calling it 120 is any more accurate as nothing hits the exact sweet spot unless you put a capacitor on it.

Not trying to start a flame war here, but I have to side with Robert Meier:
NOBODY in electrical industry calls it 110/220 anymore, for two simple reasons: 120/240 is the de-facto industrial standard, and NEC uses that as a nominal voltage.
It does NOT mean that if you stick multimeter probes into an average outlet in the US you will get 120 volts every time; However, when referring to the standard residential service, the proper way to call it is 120/240.

To put it differently: seeing a home inspector call it 110/220 in writing on the report (provided of course that’s what you do, Bob) is just as off-putting and detracting from the impression of the document as glaring typos and grammatical errors.

[lkage (Larry Kage, CMI)]

@jwicklander

Given the legend in the panel, the original range was electric using a 4 or 3 wire receptacle (depending on age of home). After the kitchen remodel, they opted for a gas range which now uses a standard 15 amp receptacle. Instead of pulling new conductors for the newly changed receptacle, they used the existing ones and pigtailed smaller conductors to terminate onto the 15 amp receptacle. Original 2-pole breaker was taken out and replaced with two single 15 amp breakers. One of those breakers is now being used for the new gas range.

Not a huge issue about the unused breaker in the ‘on’ position. Just recommend an update of the panel legend via sharpie.

Jeff

What I was thinking, too. Thanks, Jeff.

[rmeier2 (Robert Meier)]

@belliott

Start cringing as that is what I have always called it. Except it’s 110 and 220.

I doubt calling it 120 is any more accurate as nothing hits the exact sweet spot unless you put a capacitor on it.

The nominal phase voltage of a 208Y/120 system is actually 120. I said that I cringe because it’s mathematically impossible to have 110 and 208.

[belliott (Bob Elliott, 450.0002662)]

Oh OH better not tell you about “sub panels”

[eschmidt (Erik Schmidt)]

@dmacy

Since the seller was there I tripped the breaker and it shut down the electrical system controls for the gas oven. Who knows what lurks behind the built in appliance.

Mike Holmes and Billy would tear it out, curse the inspector, beat his chest and yell, I am the greatest inspector in the world!!

Hopefully they would know better. There was nothing wrong with it.

[mclark2 (Michael Clark, CMI)]

@Robert_Meier

What size conductor is that? I think that those CB’s max out at #8 AWG.

I agree you should be using 120/240, the nominal voltage used by the NEC. I cringe when I hear someone say 110/208. :twisted:

Not me…I just say, oh, you have 3 phase, that’s how you’re getting 208. Is it Wye or Delta? :mrgreen:

[jwicklander (Jeffrey Wicklander)]

@Robert_Meier

@belliott

Start cringing as that is what I have always called it. Except it’s 110 and 220.

I doubt calling it 120 is any more accurate as nothing hits the exact sweet spot unless you put a capacitor on it.

The nominal phase voltage of a 208Y/120 system is actually 120. I said that I cringe because it’s mathematically impossible to have 110 and 208.

True…208 ÷1.73 =120

Jeff

[dmacy (David C. Macy, CMI)]

@eschmidt

Hopefully they would know better. There was nothing wrong with it.

The legend on the panel was mislabeled (sort of) and why I posted, but it is no big deal and I appreciate the feedback.

[mrussell3 (Michael Russell)]

Just make sûre they didn’t cut any stands off off thé black wire to fit it onto thé 15 amp breaker, then make sûre thé breaker lug can support thé wire size,

[Martin_Brooke]

@Mike_Arbusto

Not trying to start a flame war here, but I have to side with Robert Meier:
NOBODY in electrical industry calls it 110/220 anymore, for two simple reasons: 120/240 is the de-facto industrial standard, and NEC uses that as a nominal voltage.
It does NOT mean that if you stick multimeter probes into an average outlet in the US you will get 120 volts every time; However, when referring to the standard residential service, the proper way to call it is 120/240.

To put it differently: seeing a home inspector call it 110/220 in writing on the report (provided of course that’s what you do, Bob) is just as off-putting and detracting from the impression of the document as glaring typos and grammatical errors.

Not bashing anybody but I agree. Just putting my thoughts in. 120/240 or 120/208 is the standard reference since its the nominal voltage strived for at any device. For example when setting a back up generator the voltage governor in it is programed/designed for a 120 volt constant output under varying load. Voltage will drop by about a few volts at say the light fixture but its closer the average voltage we try to keep at equipment. 110/220 actually comes from the old days of electrification. Power was actually 110 and 220 and 480 was kept at a median average of 460. Over time it went up as well as the rating of equipment, ie older devices may be labelled as 115 then 117 and now 120.

A bit of irony though. Motors to this day are still listed at a lower voltage like 460 volts with the intent to work well with voltage drop on a 480 volt system. But in the end it works out ok regardless.

[kshepard (Kenton Shepard, CMI)]

@mlarson

Why is is a safety issue?

It’s not a 2 pole breaker.

fixing the legend only requires a marker.

Mike, where did you get your electrical training?

[rcooke (Roy D. Cooke, Sr)]

@kshepard

Mike, where did you get your electrical training?

Mike has some great ideas some times ,but he is convinced he is the best,
He, I think is some sort of an engineer.
They way he some times acts It looks like he is a sanitary engineer
( You Know a garbage collector ) .
It is obvious he is extremely jealous of me and some others .
I expect he will attack me and this post ,
Fortunately for me I can not see his posts .

You might want to check and see how many Friends,
Michael Larson has listed .

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[mlarson (Michael Larson, WI Lic. # 1672-106)]

Why do you kenton?

Ignore roy. He was some kind of maintenance electrician or janitor. Something like that;-)