A little help here?

Originally Posted By: jpope
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Is there anything wrong with the location of this disconnect, or is it just me? eusa_think.gif





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Originally Posted By: Bob Badger
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icon_rolleyes.gif It’s all to common, check this one out that has a sticker that tells you that the panel may need to be removed.


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Not that it isn't apparent the panel in your picture has to be removed, that must be the reason for all the flex. ![icon_rolleyes.gif](upload://iqxt7ABYC2TEBomNkCmZARIrQr6.gif)

Bob


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Originally Posted By: jpope
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Thanks Bob icon_biggrin.gif



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Originally Posted By: jtedesco
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Probably one of the reasons for the new 440.14 rule in the NEC:


Quote:
The disconnecting means shall not be located on panels that are designed to allow access to the air-conditioning or refrigeration equipment.



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Originally Posted By: tallen
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Mounted on the access panel? icon_eek.gif It is in within site though. I don’t know if its against code but, it sure seems like a bad place to put it.



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Originally Posted By: tallen
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Thanks Joe,


Now I do know ![icon_biggrin.gif](upload://iKNGSw3qcRIEmXySa8gItY6Gczg.gif)


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Originally Posted By: jtedesco
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Thanks!


Jeff: Is the thermostat wire in the same flexible metal conduit (greenfield or flex) that encloses the branch circuit?

If so, that could be considered as a violation.

300-3(c) = See 725.55(A) for Class 2 and Class 3 circuit conductors.

Mixing of the wires is not permitted! Very common violation!!


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Originally Posted By: jpope
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Yes, as a matter of fact it was. I didn’t know that was a violation. Thanks for the info, I’ll be submitting an addendum. icon_biggrin.gif


Another issue was that this was wired to two separate breakers at opposite ends of the panel .

240V with two throws required to turn off at its sub panel

I'll have that picture later.


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Originally Posted By: jtedesco
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Jeff: See 240-20(b) in the 1999 NEC, or 240.20(B) in the 2002 NEC


Sounds very unusual! We have to discuss this type of circuit. The method you described is not one recognized by the electrical industry.

I believe that the original installation was not done by a "qualified person" or even an electrician. ![icon_question.gif](upload://t2zemjDOQRADd4xSC3xOot86t0m.gif)


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Originally Posted By: jmyers
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Jeff,


What size breakers is this air conditioning unit utilizing? Did you check the size of the breakers and wire?

I was just curious because most a/c units that I see are running off 30 amp breakers and single pole 30 amp breakers are not really all that common.

Joe Myers


Originally Posted By: jpope
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This was a homeowner installation. He used two single pole breakers to obtain the necessary 240 volts for the A/C unit. If I remember correctly he used a 15A and a 20A breaker. “They didn’t trip too often,” so he said. icon_confused.gif


Notice he marked the panel A/C#1 and A/C#2.



This is not the service panel, but rather, a sub panel. Can you see what's wrong with this next picture?



The ground is connected to the neutral bus. This is the ground for the top left, 240V circuit (with the white handle tie). This circuit wire (Romex) ran the length of the home (about 30') to the electric clothes dryer. It was well supported as you can see in this next photo.



Did I mention, this is a mobile home


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Originally Posted By: jmyers
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Jeff,


Now we know who was burning down all those mobile homes that catch on fire and burn to the ground in less than 5 minutes. ![icon_biggrin.gif](upload://iKNGSw3qcRIEmXySa8gItY6Gczg.gif)

Joe Myers