Originally Posted By: Mike Parks This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Jerry
I hope not. That 30 year mark means 1974. I think that is a little extreme.
I reread the article tommorrow and see if there are any other points that I should make.
Originally Posted By: jfarsetta This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
I think that there needs to be a 3rd choice, which is not that it will be a deal killer or will you use it, byt in what light will you present it.
It is impractical to consider completely re-wiring a NYC brownstone, without considering possibly gutting a good portion of the structure. It is something I would consider informing my client of, but not as an absolute. I cannot say that the wiring is bad, as I cant determine it as so.
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Originally Posted By: roconnor This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
I agree with Joe that there is a middle ground, and that is not necessarily a “deal killer”.
The design life of most buildings is around 50 years. Does that mean all buildings older than 1954 should be torn down and rebuilt, or presenting this information would be a deal killer? ... No. Do older buildings and systems need a closer evaluation periodically, and more maintenance and repairs? ... Yes.
Those things should be pointed out to the clients, so they are aware that the maintenance and repair costs will most likely be more than on a newer home.
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Originally Posted By: Mike Parks This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
I agree there should be a middle ground.
I am just trying to show what I believe is the real world. I believe that most people would see this as a big negative and I doubt if I would recieve any referrals from Realtors should they see that I am telling buyers that the wiring is at the end of its life.
Originally Posted By: Bob Badger This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Mike Parks wrote:
I hope not. That 30 year mark means 1974. I think that is a little extreme.
We agree again Mike what is happening to us. ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif) ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif)
If you say even 40 year old wiring is shot what do you say when you get to the 60 year old house?
Originally Posted By: jpeck This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
I don’t think it’s the “40 year old wiring” as much as the wiring of 40 years ago (going back from when I started using that age factor, meaning 40 years back from 1990, or about 1950).
I believe it is like K&T, it is outdated, not safely added on to, and the wring itself is suspect.
Starting about in the 1950s the change was made from rubber insulation to thermoplastic insulation. The rubber insulated wiring needs to be changed (most likely does), the thermoplastic does not (most likely does not). So, it not really the 40 years old, but prior to the mid 1950s.
In 50 years, 1970 thermoplastic NM cable will probably still be good (only time will tell). My house is from 1975+/- and I don't see that wiring "going bad and needing to be replaced" for decades, and it is already 30 years old.
Thus, instead of using '30-40-50 year old wiring needs to be replaced', I guess it would be better stated 'wiring from before 19XX should be considered for replacement'.
FEMA uses 70 years as the life of a house.
I'm not sure there is a middle ground. Either it will need re-wiring or it won't. If it needs re-wiring, it will likely be a "deal killer", if it does not need re-wiring, there is no major problem. I just don't know what "middle ground" you could be referring to.
Originally Posted By: dbowers This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
I can’t answer the question as written. I would not report it as a defect unless there is a defect or in poor condition - BUT it has nothing to do with killing a deal; it has to do with being a KAMIKASE pilot.
The bathtub is 40 years old - replace it;
The floor joists have a little sag and are 50 years old - replace them;
The paint in the 1950's house is probably lead based - replace it.
Where do you stop and look at whats there.
My dad was born in the 1920's he's getting worn out - lets shoot him.
IMHO, where some of these questions come from are out in lala land.