Thank you for affirming that…like InterNACHI standards…not all legitimate methods of certification require verification/validation.
Once again I did not affirm anything. You are making your own assumptions.
To clarify private institutions in respect to academic education - kindergarten to graduation from college/university. There is a huge difference - where validation is part of the education system.
No need to explain.
Your affirmation that mentoring/paid apprenticeships, which mirror iNACHI standards in their inability to be independently validated, are legitimate means for providing credentials as to one’s abilities to perform has been duly noted.
Of course, you will need to somehow attempt spin your way out of it…and I understand. The record, however, remains clear.
I have a question for James. With 11991 posts since DEC 2004 - when was the last time you actually performed an inspection. You certainly do not seem to have any time outside of posting to be doing actual work or continuing your educational process. An as a seasoned inspector how did YOU get your knowledge. Are you saying you never received any one on one instruction from someone else. How is it that you now know what to do. Did you just make it up as you go along?
The point is and you pointed this out, the Government licensing sets a minimum set of requirements. And in BC guess what - the NACHI program did not meet those MINIMUM requirements. So how can your standards be “better than everyone else” if they did not even meet the minimum Government standards. NACHI is an excellent organization for inspector support (this forum) and for continuing education. But they (in their current form) do not make any kind of creditable certifying body.
You are right when you point out that licensing provides a false sense of security to the public. All licensed inspectors are not created equal. Just means they met the minimum requirements.
These are my personal thoughts and do not represent any official view of my organization.
Sean Wiens
The public school system here has decided not to test students and pass them to the next grade automaticly.
This applies to grade 9 and 12 students only . Grades 1 to 8 and 10 to 11 will not be tested. This is what was proposed last year. Will it come to pass? No pun intended.
The other testing is to monitor the level or quality of education and is used by the government to say “See we are doing a great job” The reality is that under achievers are shunted out of the system before they get to the final exams in grade 12. Why? If they do not write the final exam them the average is higher and again the government can repeat “See we are doing a great job”
To get back on track item i of the proposal says
"The introduction of any regulation should be “grandfathered” to authorize the regulator to issue a licence during the first 360 days to a home inspector who has already met the standards” after this time period the inspector not passed by CAHPI will revert to paying the CAHPI inspector to do inspections as stated in Item h that says “Home inspection businesses should be given financial incentives (ie: a share of the fees) to supervise the work of novice home inspectors.”
With these two proposals if enacted the home inspection industry in Alberta will return to the dark ages. Indentured servants comes to mind
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As I have stated, earlier…the mentoring scam is nothing new in licensing laws.
CAPHI is introducing it to you, but it has been around for a while. To proponents of licensing bills, it is something you do to the “other guy” and the mentoring scam is a means of making money while …(forgive me for this)…“protecting the consumer”.
While CAPHI will denounce NACHI for its inability to provide a third party validation to any of its requirements…it will not stop them from promoting the mentoring scam…which also is unvalidated.
Once the “mentor” gets his money…what’s to stop him from “signing off” on a wannabe licensee in a hurry? Maybe, for an extra lump of cash, the new wannabe can be “signed off” on the first day of “mentoring”. Who will know? How can it be validated?
If you think the wannabe licensee is going to jeopardize his own license and admit the he paid to skip a step…forget it.
Meanwhile…“mentors” promote themselves by the number of wannabe licensees they have sent on to greatness.
Don’t fall for it, Canada. You can hardly find anyone in the states to take it seriously, anymore…outside of PHIC.
I wonder what happened to this posting … I was given an email alert but when I came to the site it was nowhere to be seen …
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Jim: As usual, your grasp of what is really happening is warped by your love of Nick’s royal acknowledgement that your unresearched and totally wrong ramblings actually fit into his bizarre ( and wrong ) view of the Canadian inspection industry.
You and Nick rely on marketing to save the iNACHI inspectors from oblivion. Unfortunately, they can’t market if they don’t qualify to be inspectors. They don’t qualify to be inspectors because Nick in his usual, arrogant manner has decided to let them all fend for themselves.
I feel sorry for these inspectors and I feel sorry for Nick. I and others offered him a way to help the iNACHI membership, but Nick decided that his personal bank account was much more important.
Licensing is scheduled to come to Alberta later this year, and today I learned that the Ontario government has a January 31, 2010 date set for licensing. Fortunately for consumers and competent inspectors, I hav also been told that the licensing will use the National Certification as the benchmark credential.
Bill Mullen
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"I learned that the Ontario government has a January 31, 2010 date set for licensing"
Rash statements like these tend to ensure a short life span for the posts.
Gentlemen:
Take it frome one who but a scant 3 months age was wondering in the wilderness.
Totally independant with some 12 years of inspections, being forced by gov’t proclamation to become licenced, always going to conferences yearly (both Canadian and American), learning from a cross-section of inspectors, and then being accepted
by the ASTTBC people, jumping through all their hoops as best I could in the timeframe allotted and came out on top.
I believe that the licencing of home inspectors is a starting point and it points to the future of the greater good of our industry. Change can come from within the industry through dialogue and cooperation. The starting point is with licencing. Next comes the upgrading with in classroom and on the job training. Mentoring helps tremendously.
Just my humble opinion.
T.Neyedli CHI
ASTTBC/ BCIPI
BPCPA #47827
www.alphahomeinspections.ca
Can you explain to all us humble readers exactly what you mean by education? As you explained…you have 12 years of practical experience. What education does CAHPI bring? What education programs are offered by the National Licencing Program? NACHI educates…CAHPI dictates. Pawns like some of our posters are in it for themselves. Dollars talk when it comes to licencing. Don’t be sucked in by the promise of weeding out the unskilled inspectors. CL and guys like him aren’t immune from mistakes. But they’ll have you believe that they are the only solution. YOU MUST FOLLOW US LEST YOU BE DAMNED TO A LIFE OF A LESS THAN PERFECT INSPECTOR!!.. Wait!..how much money do you have?..well he looks alright to me guys. Mentoring? Please. If you want to run an actual apprectice program you better start talking some big dollar return to the inspector doing it. Until then it’s just smoke and mirrors. Until the government can prove there is a REAL NEED for regulation, it’s all about some half assed CAHPI guy losing business to a better inspector.
"Until the government can prove there is a REAL NEED for regulation"
And that is the problem; there has never been and still is not any reliable, current statistic to indicate a need for licensing. The longer this goes on the more clearly it is illustrated that the whole programme is aimed at giving the few the power to dictate who will and who will not be an inspector. The happy benefit to those on the inside is that it also allows them to keep the numbers of inspectors low and their own market share high.
There are only a few days left to make your voices heard through the public consultation. Be sure to do your part and complete the government survey:
http://www.servicealberta.gov.ab.ca/…stry_paper.pdf
The deadline to respond is June 30, 2009.
So, has Alberta adopted the CAHPI Pyramid scheme yet?
Following the survey the government will tabulate the results and the advisory committee will meet to discuss the results. That will take another month or two. Hopefully I will have good news to report after I attend this meeting.