Originally Posted By: rmoore This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Anyone seen or know about these. 20 amp tandem (twin?) breaker in a GE panel. Unfortunately I screwed up the focus of the interior photo, but the casing appeared to be an exact copy of the breaker below. No pigtails or anything weird other than the color. An off-brand or just a freak of nature?
-- Richard Moore
Rest Assured Inspection Services
Seattle, WA
www.rainspect.com
Originally Posted By: dbozek This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
In all my time as a sparky, the only time I have seen white breakers, has been in equipment, never a residential panel…or even a commercial one. Doesn’t mean there isn’t such a thing though.
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Originally Posted By: Randy Flockton This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Richard,
This might be an overseas copy of a GE tandem breaker… It looks too new for the style & I’ve been told by a GE supplier before that GE doesn’t make tandems anymore since they have the THQP line now… (BTW, where’s the current rating on that breaker???)
Here's a chinese company making other GE, FPE & ITE "look alikes" 
Whats even worse is look at the voltage ratings their giving for these!
 
Originally Posted By: rmoore This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Thanks guys…
I wish I hadn't screwed up the interior shot closeup. I would swear that they were marked for amps as I didn't have a "WTF" moment when checking the wire sizes...but I admit I can't see the markings now. I also had three 240 volt circuits (range, dryer, old water heater) all without handle ties in the panel and about 75% of the receptacles tested "no ground". Think I'll have the client get an opinion on the white breaker from the Sparky.
Thanks again...appreciate it!
-- Richard Moore
Rest Assured Inspection Services
Seattle, WA
www.rainspect.com
Originally Posted By: jtedesco This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Richard:
For the electric range and electric clothes dryer, individual single-pole circuit breakers, with or without approved handle ties, are permitted as the protection for each ungrounded conductor of a multiwire branch circuits that serve only single-phase line-to-neutral loads.
The electric water heater would be required to be protected by a two-pole device, or two single breakers tied together with approved handle ties.
What is an approved handle tie?
PS: Soon to become a requirement is the replacement of the word "approved" with "listed" -- just a heads up for the future!
Originally Posted By: rmoore This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
jtedesco wrote:
For the electric range and electric clothes dryer, individual single-pole circuit breakers, with or without approved handle ties, are permitted as the protection for each ungrounded conductor of a multiwire branch circuits that serve only single-phase line-to-neutral loads.
Joe...
I might be having a senior moment here, but I don't get that. Aren't the range and dryer 240 volt line-to-line aplliances (although there may also be 120 take-offs)? My understanding was that the handle-tie was to ensure that ALL power to the device or receptacles was cut-off in the case of one leg tripping. I thought this was to protect someone working on the circuit, receptacle or appliance. Could you elaborate?
-- Richard Moore
Rest Assured Inspection Services
Seattle, WA
www.rainspect.com
Originally Posted By: jtedesco This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Bob’s references are correct and the diagram here shows where the dryer is not truly a line to neutral load only, but also supplies line to line for the heating element.
