To steal a line from Gerry Beaumont… “It appears that CMI is at risk of becoming credible” 
Nick
It it credible and getting better — Nothing in the industry was close when it started and nothing is even close if the changes take place
rlb
Will and Richard (off topic):
Yesterday I got a copy of the Articles of Incorporation and Bylaws for the Chicago Chapter of NACHI from Attorney Elizabeth Westover, cc Russel Myers & William Decker.
Corp paperwork is all submitted to NACHIs lawyer. Waiting on her.
Well Will with the burden of having performed a whole 165 inspections, I can see why you would be drawn to the CMI thingy. 
And with countless hours of making himself available to members nationally, running himself ragged as a volunteer at the convention and writing / creating courses for all of our use, I wholeheartedly support Will’s decision. He is one of the men in this organization that has my total respect.
I, too, can see why he is drawn to it.
Will, unless I have missed something the qualifications that you have listed above would not qualify you as a CMI under the proposal that Nick posted.
Regards
Gerry
Gerry, that’s what I pointed out a few posts up. Richard explained to me that Will is proposing to apply for CMI under the current 150 hr only rule.
The latest formula is better than previous. I think that it is vitally important that experience be kept in the formula as an important component. Yes it is theoretically possible that an inspector could perform 1000 terrible inspections but could he/she really stay in business long enough to do that? You don’t avoid lawsuits or get referral business by doing shoddy work. As least not for very long.
I usually have at least one inspection a week where I see something new that has not been covered in my almost-but-not-quite 200 hours of inspection education that give me pause to think: is that OK or not? If not, why not? I then go to the IRC, NEC, UBC, web sites, discussion forums, or other resources and do some research. And I learn something from it. Next time I see that item, I know what’s going on with it and why. Doing inspections properly is a continual education process in itself. I suspect that this learning process will never stop.
Unfortunately, neither I nor anyone else can prove that we approach inspections in this manner and I have seen inspectors who don’t give a darn about anything except getting thru the inspection as fast as possible and collecting the check. But I am willing to bet that inspectors who treat performing inspections as a continual learning process will outlast those that don’t.
I might apply under the new formula when I can qualify or I might not. We’ll see where the program stands at that time. But I will not apply now under the 150 hours education only rule even though I do qualify for it.
Mike, IMHO all the 150 hour rule does is to devalue the whole program.
I also strongly believe that there should be other prequalifying criteria such as having passed NHIE, state examination or others.
Regards
Gerry
Joe;
If they offer it and ia qualify (under the original rules) why not apply?
Gerry;
I forgot this in my previous post. I have passed the NHIE.
Look, I am not saying that I am great or even good. I have much to learn and I learn somthing new every day.
I am just saying that if 150 ed hours are required and I exceed that, why should I not apply?
I didn’t set the rules. I just have to work with them.
Well, we can’t use the NHIE, as should no one, due to its ridiculously high pass rate (now 70%) and low passing cut off score (70%). Nearly everyone passes and even those who pass can answer nearly 1/3 of the questions incorrectly. It has become a Kindergarten test compared to the pass rates and cut-off scores of other inspection exams: http://exams.nachi.org/stats.php (hit refresh and wait 2 minutes for live calculation to ocurr).
With all the continuing education options out there I think raising the continuing education requiremnets to 200 shouldn’t be a problem for someone seeking to be a “Certified Master Inspector.” Here are just some free outside-NACHI online continuing education offerings: http://www.nachi.org/outsideconted2006
Remember, under this formula, an inspector who fulfilled 200 hours of continuing education and has been in business for 3 years (156 weeks), would still have had to perform 644 actual inspections, abide by one of 7 SOPs, abide by the highest COE ever written, and pass a criminal background check.
On the criminal background check issue, I’m looking for a volunteer who can review appeals. We’ve had 2 inspectors who are asking for an exemption as they were involved in non-violent offenses many years ago. I would like someone (other than Joe Farsetta who has too much on his plate) to review these requests and grant exemptions if deemed reasonable.
Will, I think then it’s a matter of integrity, of which I know you have an abundance of. I too qualify but I do not remotely consider myself a Master by any stretch of the imagination and you seem to feel the same way about yourself. Regardless of what requirements the CMI board has currently in place I will not apply for CMI under the 150 hr only rule. I, like Ron, might apply in the future if the 1000 pt rule is adopted.
Nick, If that’s an issue then raise the required NHIE score for entrance into CMI to 85 or 90%. Doesn’t Florida require a higher passing grade on the NHIE that other states? Why not CMI too?
The more credible options CMI has for membership the better.
Will I see nothing wrong if you are following the rules to go for it .
Those who wish to comlain I say go suck a lemon.
If we all try and follow all the rules all the time this would be a better world .
To complain about what the rules should be or might be is wrong .
Rules and laws are continuing changing some times for the better some times for the worse.
Follow todays rules and enjoy life it is too short to complain about what might be or could be.
Roy Cooke Sr
I think that CMI should not be accepting any applications at present until the rules are fixed in place. The previous rules have proved to be unacceptable due to a lack of credability inspectors voted with there feet and did not apply.
Regards
Gerry
:roll: Gerry, I see no problem with Will getting the same CMI that was awarded you. :twisted:
I can hep if needed, when it al gets straightened out.
I have a way to sort this whole mess out once and for all. Let Nick, Gerry, Greg Bell, Joe F and Joe B all meet up somewhere and play Paper, Rocks, Scissors winner get to choose the criteria for CMI
God I am so bloody cleaver