Again you are quoting me wrong!
It would be like saying all Canadians are dumb azzez just because you happen to know me…
Sorry Guys I should know better … Roy
OK I found one that should not cause any flare ups.
Paul certainly doesn’t support your position Kevin.
Yes he does!
What do you think I do.
Kevin I need to disagree with you on this one. When I first started I was told that all FP panel were bad and that they need to be checked by an electrician and likely should be replaced. I did exactly that and got my *** handed to me by a master electrician, the seller, the buyer, the real estate agent and also the insurance company. I looked into the issue further as I wanted to make sure they were wrong and I was right about calling them out.
Guess what? I had to eat crow.
I have spoken with different electricains, insurance companies and other inspectors including the electrical inspector for my area and one in Calgary as well. Like I said I was trying to prove them wrong.
The standards down in the states for the FP panels was ULC but here in Canada it was CSA. The CSA made them fix the issue before they were sold here. I have never to this day found an issue with an FP panel. I have had problems with Commander and with square D though. Should I call out all of them as defective because I had a square D breaker fall out on me??
I did not say they have to be removed nor did I say they are all bad. I know there are going to be all kinds of controversies on the FP. I have seen and witnessed myself what they are like and support exactly what is written by Paul Abernathy.
I also did not say Federal Pioneer is defective. Some need replaced and others are OK.
I do open most of them and just a few I did not open and there where clear reasons why.
You should never say they need to be replaced Greg that is why you had to eat Crow.
Good post Greg.
Kevin will never understand the concept of making an informed decision.
Canada is different than the USA i never heard of a problem with what was sold in Canada.
I have made many informed decisions. Wayne yes there is recorded problems but very few.
There is a recorded problem with every panel out there. I am not going to start callinhg them all up just because of a few reported problems!!
Show us Kevin.
The panels up there are different than the ones down here , and yes every panel will have problems .
Continuing problems can’t be ruled out. For example, see the Federal
Pacific/Federal Pioneer circuit breaker warranty alert issued by the
Ontario New
Home Warranty Program in 1997 (copy attached). These products are still
present
in the field! Reports from consumers and electricians indicate failures
to trip,
overheating, and fires.
It is possible that some breakers may perfor
m with adequate relia
bility, possibly those
manufactured after the companies discovered
safety defects and improper practices in
listing the product, and possibly
those manufactured in Canada. However, in absence of
an explicit statement from the manufacturer
and/or the US CPSC indicating that newer
stock equipment is defect free, and consider
ing that defects occur in both breakers and
the panels themselves, and finally, that tes
ting showed failures in both in-use equipment and new off-the-shelf devices, my advice to
consumers and electricians is that these
panels be replaced with newer equipment
Also, having inspected a few Canadian FPE
electric panels themselves, I have observed
at least two ongoing concer
ns: 1.) the same bus design was us
ed as in the U.S. equipment.
I’ve seen very poor retention of breakers in th
e bus - in one house th
e breaker was held in
place by duct tape, as the spring design in the
contact of the breaker
where it plugs into
the special opening in the bus appears not to
have held the breaker in place. I have also
seen breakers modified with their inserting pi**ns bent and modified to fit a breaker into a
slot where it did not belong -
a step that is impossible with**
** other breaker designs**. 2.) A
similar or identical panel design may e
xpose consumers to panel arcing and fires
regardless of changes in the breakers themselves.
http://www.crestviewhomeinspections.com/files/50106927.pdf
Now don’t shoot the messenger because this does not come from me but from IAEI International Association of Electrical Inspectors.
More of the same old tired rhetoric Kevin.
Kevin Wood - the perpetual perpetuater :lol:
Waiting for a counter from you!
Hard to argue with IAEI and they say replace the panel with newer equipment not something I fully support.
But I guess you knew that right!
Wrong again. It’s just another article from Daniel Friedman.
Like I said - some old tired rhetoric.
Most important part is the response!