Bush is above the law

Time after time seems to feel he is… King George


Bush on the Constitution: A ‘goddamned piece of paper’
Last month, Republican Congressional leaders filed into the Oval Office to meet with President George W. Bush and talk about renewing the controversial USA Patriot Act.
Several provisions of the act, passed in the shell shocked period immediately following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, caused enough anger that liberal groups like the American Civil Liberties Union had joined forces with prominent conservatives like Phyllis Schlafly and Bob Barr to oppose renewal.
GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the act could further alienate conservatives still mad at the President from his botched attempt to nominate White House Counsel Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court.
“I don’t give a goddamn,” Bush retorted. “I’m the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way.”
“Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.”
“Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!”
Bush has a record of ignoring the constitution when it serves his purpose
To the Bush Administration, the Constitution of the United States is little more than toilet paper stained from all the sh-t that this group of power-mad despots have dumped on the freedoms that “goddamned piece of paper” used to guarantee.
Put aside, for a moment, political affiliation or personal beliefs. It doesn’t matter if you are a Democratic, Republican or Independent. It doesn’t matter if you support the invasion or Iraq or not. Despite our differences, the Constitution has stood for two centuries as the defining document of our government, the final source to determine - in the end - if something is legal or right.
Every federal official - including the President - who takes an oath of office swears to “uphold and defend” the Constitution of the United States.
Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia says he cringes when someone calls the Constitution a “living document.”
"“Oh, how I hate the phrase we have-a ‘living document,’” Scalia says. “We now have a Constitution that means whatever we want it to mean. The Constitution is not a living organism, for Pete’s sake.”
As a judge, Scalia says, “I don’t have to prove that it’s perfect; I just have to prove that it’s better than anything else.”
President Bush has proposed seven amendments to the Constitution a record for any modern President, including a controversial amendment to define marriage as a “union between a man and woman.”

WASHINGTON – President Bush has quietly claimed the authority to disobey more than 750 laws enacted since he took office, asserting that he has the power to set aside any statute passed by Congress when it conflicts with his interpretation of the Constitution.
Among the laws Bush said he can ignore are military rules and regulations, affirmative-action provisions, requirements that Congress be told about immigration services problems, ''whistle-blower" protections for nuclear regulatory officials, and safeguards against political interference in federally funded research.

Many legal scholars say they believe that Bush’s theory about his own powers goes too far and that he is seizing for himself some of the law-making role of Congress and the Constitution-interpreting role of the courts.

Bush has also said he can bypass laws requiring him to tell Congress before diverting money from an authorized program in order to start a secret operation, such as the ''black sites" where suspected terrorists are secretly imprisoned.

On several other occasions, Bush contended he could nullify laws creating ''whistle-blower" job protections for federal employees that would stop any attempt to fire them as punishment for telling a member of Congress about possible government wrongdoing.
When Congress passed a massive energy package in August, for example, it strengthened whistle-blower protections for employees at the Department of Energy and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
The provision was included because lawmakers feared that Bush appointees were intimidating nuclear specialists so they would not testify about safety issues related to a planned nuclear-waste repository at Yucca Mountain in Nevada – a facility the administration supported, but both Republicans and Democrats from Nevada opposed.
When Bush signed the energy bill, he issued a signing statement declaring that the executive branch could ignore the whistle-blower protections.
Bush’s statement did more than send a threatening message to federal energy specialists inclined to raise concerns with Congress; it also raised the possibility that Bush would not feel bound to obey similar whistle-blower laws that were on the books before he became president. His domestic spying program, for example, violated a surveillance law enacted 23 years before he took office.

Originally, Bush and Cheney disdained Bill Clinton’s 1994 deal with the North as appeasement. They criticized South Korea’s “sunshine policy” of reconciliation with the North, refused to negotiate, and included that despotic regime in a purely rhetorical “axis of evil.” And they watched as the North produced enough new plutonium for eight to 10 bombs.

In Iraq and elsewhere, Bush’s successor will be called on to clean up a staggering mess. Above all, this will mean returning to the principles of US foreign policy as practiced by every other president since FDR. Particularly after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, Bush and his advisers presumed that this hoary old approach was no longer relevant. But the record shows that Bush has not succeeded in rewriting the rules of statecraft. Proceeding from false premises, he came to false conclusions. His successor, whether a Democrat or a Republican, will need to revive the internationalist traditions of his predecessors to clean up the mess he is leaving behind.

there has been an ominous decline in America’s reputation throughout much of the Muslim world and even in Europe. The horrors of Abu Ghraib, the rendition of terrorist suspects to countries that torture, the lack of legal protections for captives in Guantanamo: These and other panicky reactions to the threat of terrorism have made American preaching about the rule of law seem hypocritical. Bush has played into the hands of propagandists who portray America as hostile to all Muslims or a threat to world peace. The result is a loss of soft power, the good will that inclines foreign states and populations to give America the benefit of the doubt.
Is voting for McCain ,the kind of signal we want to send to Lawmakers?
Would we be telling them that changing the constitution and changing what they want ,when they feel like it is ok with us?
Maybe Bush will change the law to stay in office as long as he sees fit .
I guess all you Republicans will say it is OK with you.

sources http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/editorials/articles/2007/07/22/the_world_after_george_w_bush/

http://view.atdmt.com

http://oasn04.247realmedia.com/RealMedia/

and capital hill blue.

Interesting article. Obviously written by some un-American liberal hippy commie punk who hates women and advocates homosexuality while taking drugs and ignoring the Rush Limbaugh Show…but still…an interesting article.

No, Bob. What you posted does not match the links.

The links didn’t work, except for the Boston Globe link, and that was to an “opinion” piece. Opinion ain’t fact, especially when the opinions are not baked up by verifiable sources.

As to Bush and the wing-nuts who say things like “the war is illegal”.

  • Bush obtained legislative support to invade Iraq, twice, from the Senate.
  • He also obtained “permisssion” (like the Pres of the U.S. needs permission) from the U.N.
    As to the violation of the patriot act, this has been gone over, again and again, and proven wrong. The President, both by the Constitution, and in the Senate’s approval, has the right, and the DUTY to protect the country from foriegn enemies.

The so-called wire taps were not wire taps. They were just requests to the phone companies for records of phone calls to people in the U.S. from some overseas countries. Heck, the police can pull phone records without a warrant, why can’t the Pres?

Again, Bob, to head off your complaint. It is not that I am smarter or better than you are, it’s just that I am better informed and actually read from many sources (both left and right).

This is old crap and was dealt with long ago, but the extreme left wing media sources (which in include unfortunately, newspapers like the New York Times, and the paper’s it owns like the Boston Globe).

Try reading stuff that is balanced and sourced, stuff that has been checked and verified.

Hope this helps;

Once again you seem to feel you are King.
Sorry ,but you are not the final word , as that is happing in November.

Thats impossible, some can’t enjoy a story unless it comes from a national enquirer source such as Bobs post has proven.

Sounds like the title for your Autobiography.

Does anyone still listen to that pill popping fat ,hypocrite Rush Limberger.?

Decker…if bull$hit was music, you would be a very loud brass band.

Again, Bob, and Jim. I never said nor claimed to be king. Just a person who is educated and well read.

One does not have to be “king” to recognize slam journalism.

And, with today’s DSM, they slam more and more, and don’t seem to care that no one is buying their BS.

Except, maybe Bob and Jim.

I only ask that everyone check things out for themselves, look over the last posts. Bob and Jim have, again and again, shown themselves to be either uninformed or just plain liars.

I hope that they are just uninformed.

Ignorance can be cured.

Bob, you claim to be Christian, if that is true, you need to read the book of Jude, then repent and ask forgiveness, and start over. You are listening to the wrong spirits in your head.

I am amused to find, as the “political season” rolls around, there are some on this message board who (now to my amazement) actually walk upright!

And a few of those actually do NOT drag their knuckles…

Seemingly intelligent people become somewhat Neanderthal in their thought, and babble about as if information is a taboo.

I become more and more convinced that *some, *I say some, of today’s “humans” really did descend from creatures that emerged from primordal ooze.

Observation of life gets more interesting as I grow older and more experienced with what is actually walking beside me.

Now, I will let you all determine which side of the picture you represent…and bear in mind the well known (and over-used) quote from Shakespeare,
“Me thinks he doth protest too much…”

Will… there is one thing I have noticed, as I’ve aged and had more time to observe what’s going on in the world.
This is that many younger people who started out Democratic and believing in a better world. As they age get more more wrapped up in material things. This is not a bad thing, as we have a tendency to get married and raise children. Buy a home and work hard to attain the things we have always desired.
Will, what happens in our subconscious, as we begin to believe that we need to protect everything we have worked hard for and feel that if others have things. We will have less.
I am willing to bet that when you were younger. You are more independent minded and a Democrat.
What we need to do is not accept the status quo but to fight for what we know would be a better world. Otherwise, it cannot happen.

{{Again, Bob, to head off your complaint. It is not that I am smarter or better than you are, it’s just that I am better informed and actually read from many sources (both left and right).}}

Will, if you take the time to reread this quote from you. You’ll see that it sounds very arrogant and condescending plus is a look into how you feel about yourself, which goes beyond the words typed.
Will, nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Everyone has heard the term unrewarded genius, the world is full of educated derelicts, persistence and determination alone are omnipotent.
I agree you’re fantastic in the book smarts department. However, that is only using half of your brain, Whereas the right half consists of art, poetry and philosophy and to be a true Renaissance man you must use both halves.

{{Heck, the police can pull phone records without a warrant, why can’t the Pres? }}

Well, I can’t believe that statement came from your fingers, since as a man of education. You know that our founding fathers created three branches of government so that one would not grab too much power from the other two. Bush is not the police, though perhaps in your blind affection for them and you wish he was.
Sorry if I came down little bit hard on you, but you need to wake up and stop seeing the world so one sided in trying to protect what you have.
I must admit growing older does suck. I just haven’t given up yet.
Sorry if I had a couple of bad links, though I fail to see your sources.Do not worry though as they are obvious enough.

It reads, to me, as someone with a very severe inferiority complex.

See below:

Bob. Did you actually pass the state required test on the Constitution?

Jim, don’t be so hard on Bob. I am working with him.

He will be OK, soon :mrgreen:

(Hint. Try using proper punctuation. It helps those who read your posts

Hahaha…
Now that to use an old phrase ,is the pot calling the kettle black.

Using the spellcheck button should not be beyond such an old mans capability.

By the way , I may be older than you.(just look younger) :slight_smile: