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Originally Posted By: rray
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Here’s what’s going on in California right now:


http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_0001-0050/sb_31_bill_20021202_introduced.pdf

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_0001-0050/sb_31_bill_20030325_status.html

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_0001-0050/sb_31_bill_20030313_history.html

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_0001-0050/sb_31_cfa_20030325_151759_sen_comm.html

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_0001-0050/sb_31_vote_20030324_000001_sen_comm.html

I have not studied it at great length yet, but I do know that I do not like the "10 years" bit. That has CREIA/ASHI written all over it. And I think actually defining so narrowly what a home inspection is certainly should not be the role of government. What the he** is a trade association for if everything down to the most minutest (that's a word I made up just now) detail is codified into law?

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Originally Posted By: evandeven
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http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_0001-0050/sb_31_bill_20021202_introduced.pdf


Ten years and over 200 members in California. How many associations qualify for that?

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Eric Van De Ven
Owner/Inspector
Magnum Inspections Inc.
I get paid to be suspicious when there is nothing to be suspicious about!
www.magnuminspections.com

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Originally Posted By: rray
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Two: CREIA and ASHI, both founded in 1976.


S.B. 31 got updated yesterday with amendments that were voted on in committee on March 24. Seems CAR got everything they wanted to make home inspectors liable for everything and Realtors liable for nothing.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_0001-0050/sb_31_cfa_20030325_151759_sen_comm.html

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Originally Posted By: rray
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Here’s the version showing amendments. Some garbage got cut out.


http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_0001-0050/sb_31_bill_20030403_amended_sen.pdf

Note that under energy efficiency, we "may" count the actual number of glass panes in the house. Now that could be fun.

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Originally Posted By: gbeaumont
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Hi Russel, and others.


I don't know if you are aware of this but those of you who have an interest in this topic can get automatic e-mail up-dates on this legislation by subscribing to this bill from the following link:

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=sb_31&sess=CUR&house=B&author=figueroa

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Gerry Beaumont
NACHI Education Committee
e-mail : education@nachi.org
NACHI phone 484-429-5466

Inspection Depot Education
gbeaumont@inspectiondepot.com

"Education is a journey, not a destination"

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Originally Posted By: rray
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Thanks, Gerry.


Yeah, I'm tracking it. It passed the Senate and had its first reading in the Assembly yesterday.

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Originally Posted By: gbeaumont
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requiring membership of their groups. However despite having spent a lot of time looking at both the legislation and the CCHI web site I see no mechanism in place for the “certification” process or it’s testing criteria. Does anyone out there have the slightest idea how an inspector actually meets the requirements for certification.


The following is a link to The California Coalition of Home Inspectors who have helped draft much of this law and in doing so seem at least to have been able to keep CAR in check so as to protect the inspectors from the realtor's versions of reality.

http://www.thecchi.org/cchiframe.html

One last note The California law does not license as such Home inspectors only defines and regulates their role under California business and proffesional code # 7195

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Gerry Beaumont
NACHI Education Committee
e-mail : education@nachi.org
NACHI phone 484-429-5466

Inspection Depot Education
gbeaumont@inspectiondepot.com

"Education is a journey, not a destination"

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Originally Posted By: rray
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CREIA and ASHI out here are not interested in memberships per s?. They are interested in money, and that has typically come through memberships. They are awfully quiet, and when one tries to talk to any of the CREIA/ASHI members, they get all upset and defensive, clam up, and, as someone said, “run to the hills.” If one is not a CREIA/ASHI member, they have no time for you.


Here's what I foresee coming down the line. Since there are only two organizations that qualify as certifying organizations, I can see them not "requiring" membership in their organizations to get certified, but Marketing 101 taught me that when it comes to membership organizations, make in-demand products expensive for non-members and cheap for members.

The service called "certifying" really will require little or no overhead. Say certification costs $1,000 and membership costs $500. But certification for members would cost only $750. Now come on, almost anyone would become a member to save $250, especially if one is just beginning one's HI career. The legislation does not address this type of abuse.

Organizations already do this. CREIA/ASHI for example charge $500 (just to use a number) to attend a convention if you are a non-member, but only $350 (just to use a number) to attend if you are a member. In other words, save money on all our products if you become a member.

They are not requiring membership in their organizations, but they sure are encouraging it by hitting one where it hurts, in the wallet.

It's all about money with CREIA/ASHI in California, not about serving the public (unless money can be made at the same time).

Alas, margarita time.

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One home at a time.

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Originally Posted By: jmyers
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Russel,


It seems like that is their game plan all over the nation. Make money on the newbies, or die trying! ![icon_biggrin.gif](upload://iKNGSw3qcRIEmXySa8gItY6Gczg.gif)

Joe Myers

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Originally Posted By: rray
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Here’s some more ASHI dissent, and not from a franchise inspection company. Communicator magazine, published by FREA, has an interesting editorial in the Winter 2003 issue, “Damned If I Know.” I have asked Allison, the editor, to post the entire article on their web site and I will post a link here when she tells me it’s there.


Meanwhile, I'll retype a few of the comments:

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Would it not . . . be incumbent on the ASHI board of directors, presidents & vice-presidents alike to . . . allow their members as much access as possible to all the products and services that are available to the home inspection profession?

For years ASHI has been pushing one particular reporting system on its membership. . . . It is also strongly rumored that ASHI presidents (past and/or present) have a financial interest in education programs which are foisted onto the membership at the expense of other equally informative, and less expensive alternatives.

Not only does ASHI's website refuse to acknowledge FREA as an E & O provider, but also, for the second year in a row, ASHI refused to allow FREA to participate at their annual convention in January.
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What is ASHI afraid of?

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Originally Posted By: rray
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http://www.frea.com/frea/edit_w03.htm

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One home at a time.


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Originally Posted By: rray
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I’ve got an interesting discussion going on “over there,” not necessarily a good one, but interesting nonetheless, in the “Legal, Insurance, Marketing/PR” forum, or something like that.

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Home inspections. . . .


One home at a time.


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Originally Posted By: rray
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I got an e-mail from an organization that is trying to get started out here to try to blunt the ASHI/CREIA juggernaut. Seems they have been following my discussion “over there” and would like me to join them. I told them they had my attention, but I have not heard back from them yet. If I remember right, it’s a NAHI-related group.

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Home inspections. . . .


One home at a time.


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Originally Posted By: gbeaumont
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Hi Russel,


FYI nahi were not happy with the deal struck between ASHI/CREIA over SB31 and had a lobbyist attend one of the committee meetings about 2 months ago CCHI offered to include a NAHI delegate to appease them but from what your saying they were not able to come to terms, I can’t say that that does not surprise me, Nahi seem to have a very forward thinking view over state legislation, and if I were in your shoes I would give serious thought to supporting their stance.


Regards

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Gerry Beaumont
NACHI Education Committee
e-mail : education@nachi.org
NACHI phone 484-429-5466

Inspection Depot Education
gbeaumont@inspectiondepot.com

"Education is a journey, not a destination"

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Originally Posted By: rray
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http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_0001-0050/sb_31_cfa_20030629_183436_asm_comm.html


Finally the opposition has come out of the woodwork. I firmly agree with Amerispec's opposition. I think they copied the letters I wrote to my representatives.

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Home inspections. . . .
One home at a time.

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Originally Posted By: rray
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It seems SB31 did not pass the Committee on Business and Professions on July 1, but the Committee granted it reconsideration:


"July 1 Set, first hearing. Failed passage in committee. Reconsideration granted."

I can't track down the votes on the actual bill, but maybe things are looking up as far as possibly doing things right out here. I noted that most of the big franchises finally got involved--Amerispec, Housemaster, Pillar to Post, World Inspection Network. I wrote a letter of opposition. I wonder why I didn't get listed. Maybe one has to donate money to get listed! That would seem logical in politics.

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Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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Thanks Captain!


Nick

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Originally Posted By: rray
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Good news from California on July 17!


From the State's legislative web site on SB 31:

LAST HIST. ACT. DATE: 07/17/2003
LAST HIST. ACTION : Placed on inactive file on request of Assembly Member Correa.

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Originally Posted By: rray
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The Chair of the Committee on Business and Professions is keeping S.B. 31 bottled up by placing it in the inactive file each day. Anyone wishing to voice their opposition (or support) of the bill can write the members of the Committee by using this link:


http://www.assembly.ca.gov/acs/newcomframeset.asp?committee=129

I, of course, hope that you would write them to express your disapproval of legislating into law the non-recognition of so many home inspector trade associations like NACHI, SPREI, FREA, NAHI, AAHI, etc., etc.

S.B. 31 would recognize only ASHI and CREIA as viable home inspector trade associations. Such BS.

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Originally Posted By: rray
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Almost every day someone on the Committee on Business and Professions tries to bring S.B. 31 up for discussion. Assemblymember Correa keeps placing it in the inactive file. I finally decided to find out who Assemblymember Correa was:


http://www.assembly.ca.gov/acs/makebio.asp?district=69&assoc=1

Notice that second paragraph: Chair of the Committee on Business and Professions! Yahoo!

If you are really bored, please write Mr. Correa and thank him for keeping such an asinine piece of legislation bottled up in the inactive file.

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Home inspections. . . .
One home at a time.