Double sink traps

Originally Posted By: rwills
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Originally Posted By: gbeaumont
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Hi to all,


that is sure odd Bob, but I don't see a problem per se with that set up as each bowl is in reality a seperate issue, I don't have IRC in front of me at this time but I'm sure they only limit the number of traps on a common waste to 3.

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Originally Posted By: jpope
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vent system pipe size if I’m not mistaken. So long as traps are properly connected to the waste line, a 2 1/2" line can accommodate six fixtures (a 2" line accommodates only 3 fixtures).



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Robert,


That diswasher drain will kill the deal, Huh?![](upload://mdBgTaj9XMffHehtOaWA12aodfb.gif)


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David, Imagine being labeled a deal killer for writing up a dishwasher drain! icon_eek.gif


Even if it were setup like the picture Phil posted I would have written it up but not for having two separate drain systems.


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Originally Posted By: jpope
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Not quite the same Paul. That reference is two traps in-line. Roberts picture had separate trap arms to the drain/vent.


The IRC allows two traps into a shared trap arm, however, the UPC prohibits this practice and all traps must enter the vent through individual trap arms.


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Originally Posted By: phinsperger
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Robert asked “Why they didn’t tie these together is beyond me.” I was giving reference for that part of his post



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phinsperger wrote:
Robert asked "Why they didn't tie these together is beyond me." I was giving reference for that part of his post


My bad.

Although, by eliminating the first trap in that sketch, these could have been joined with a single trap.


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Originally Posted By: gbeaumont
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Each plumbing fixture shall be separately trapped by a water seal trap placed as close as possible to the fixture outlet. The vertical distance from the fixture outlet to the trap weir shall not exceed 24 inches (610 mm). The distance of a clothes washer standpipe above a trap shall conform to Section P2706.2. Fixtures shall not be double trapped. Exceptions to the separate trapping requirements are as follows:
1. Fixtures that have integral traps.
2. A single trap shall be permitted to serve two or three like fixtures limited to kitchen sinks, laundry tubs and lavatories. Such fixtures shall be adjacent to each other and located in the same room with a continuous waste arrangement. The trap shall be installed at the center fixture where three such fixtures are installed. Common trapped fixture outlets shall not be more than 30 inches (762 mm) apart.
3. The connection of a laundry tray waste line is permitted to be made into a standpipe for the automatic clothes washer drain in accordance with Section P2706.2.1.


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Not this “Phil” thing again eusa_doh.gif



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s on my checks instead of Wills. Even after I stood there and said "only one(1) “i” in Wills. nachi_sarcasm.gif


Gerry, thanks for the post, that says it all!


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Originally Posted By: roconnor
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It looks like the trap on the left is for a sink with a garbage disposal (food grinder), so in my opinion those would not be the same fixtures types (“like fixtures”) that could share a common trap. Looks like they did it right to me with the separate traps.


Note that IRC P2717 also allows a dishwasher to be tied into a sink drain (with or without a garbage disposal) and share the same trap, as long as the dishwasher line has a "high loop".

Just my opinion and 2-nickels ... ![icon_wink.gif](upload://ssT9V5t45yjlgXqiFRXL04eXtqw.gif)


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