Hey Rick,
Didn’t you mention earlier this year that your buisness plans called for expanding your services to include IR ?
This is exactly what HomeSafe wants… for you all to talk about them. Did everyone forget that there are new infrared standards coming out that has literally NOTHING to do with HS? I’m interested in getting back to the original topic of this thread.
I know this is how every thread in this topic seems to go. Someone says sometihing controversial, then John ends up in an argument with someone, and a perfectly good thread goes to crap. Can we please talk about the changes to the infrared standards?
Chris Mayes
AC Tool Supply, Inc.
www.energyauditortalk.org
Yeah was planing to get it done Q2, but I had to put it off for now. 
And it is just as easy to say things are a non-issue, when you are not the one under the gun, so to speak.
Peace.
Yes… but I have not turned my position into a chance to
condemn people. Everyone can have an opinion, but we
do not need to turn it into a reason to attack people.
That’s a shame your so scared.:p:p I did a roof scan on 2 condo buildings the other night$$$ These are the standardsI followed. Your missing out on a lot of work with all the rain we’ve had. But that’s OK I guess. Go ahead and wait until this blows over.:mrgreen::mrgreen:
John S, Am I correct to assume that these standards are for new construction energy star rated home’s?
Thank you for your input.
No Peter, and that is why it is such a big deal, that for some reason this thread is just missing. Current Energy Star homes pass a thermal bypass checklist as they are being built. It is just like any other inspection during construction (electrical, HVAC, plumbing, etc).
From my understanding this will become the SOP for Resnet (HERS) ratings. What will make this even more important is if/when Resnet and BPI merge their standard in to one.
Another topic that has come up during these types of discussions is, will you be able to now go back and re rate 2004 and prior homes as Energy Star homes? If that ends up being the case (this will be of interest to you) those structures will more than likely require some upgrades to meet the 2004 IECC. Which then leads to another question. Will Energy Star eventually upgrade the builders incentives (tax credits) for these structures to include these upgrades?
John Snell didn’t really touch on any issues that he is aware of, maybe because he wants to see if others feel as though they are an issue and if language should be added in to the draft. I believe that is what he was asking for here, since you are all professional HI’s. Instead you guys fight amongest yourselves.
This truly is a big deal, and you guys can potentially have a voice in this upcoming standard, which will have a big impact on the IR community as a whole. John Snell, from what I know, is the main consultant on the IR side of this standard.
John McKenna, you of all people should realized the importance of this for not only the IR community, but also NACHI members and even yourself. You really should have (still should) just delete or move the posts in this thread about HomeSafe to another thread.
Jason Kaylor – JJ
VP of Specialty Products
877/207-1244
Good post Jason, thanks. I guess I’m still confused and hopefully John can elaborate more. I am aware of the HERS rating but how does this new standard effect existing housing stock.
IE, what is the standard for a home built in 1860 VS a home built in 1960. If 50 pascals is the standard for blower door testing what will be the standard for IR.
Also, will my BPI Building Analyst and ITC Building Science credentials be applicable to the new standard or will new training be required.
I am NOT an official RESNET spokesman, so this is simply my take on the draft standard, which I helped to write along with a half dozen other practicing building thermographers.
- This can be used for either new or existing homes. RESNET now has the ability to rate existing homes.
- Any IR inspection done to meet RESNET will be required to follow this standard and be done by someone who is certified according to the standard (scope of standard).
- Existing training can be used; there are two “methods” for qualification and certification (Section 802.1).
- I don’t know if Jason’s excellent observations are on the “radar” for anyone at RESNET. I would hope some of you would raise them as they are important points.
Again, you may read the draft standard at: <http://www.resnet.us/standards/mortgage/amendments/2009/performance_testing/RESNET_IR_Plain_Language.pdf> and then make comments.
Thank you,
John Snell
Snell Infrared
800-636-9820
www.IRTalk.com
I’ve been on top of this Patent issue from the get-go, and I never heard of any lawsuit. This is news to me. Can you tell me where the suit was filed and against whom?
John, thank you. I’ve looked at the standards but need to review them more before comment. I can tell you I for one am glad there will be a IR standard for inspecting homes. Unfortunately some will continue to do just a basic heat loss/moisture intrusion inspection and not realize the importance of these standards, especially since the house just pasted the climate and energy bill.
Thank you for posting here so that inspectors/performance contractors like myself have access to this info.
See post #32
http://www.nachi.org/forum/f6/ir-inspection-patent-35073/index2.html#post529606
](http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-msndce/case_no-1:2009cv00060/case_id-28810/)
I respectfully ask that all the replies to this thread concerning anything other than the topic be moved. Please!! this topic is very important and a couple of us would like to be able to have a professional dialog concerning it.
Thank you.
Peter,
I totally agree. Let’s talk about the proposed RESNET IR program not some lame lawsuit! That being said it is now time for me to go to the RESNET Web site and read their proposal!
Peter and Robert… please start talking… we are all waiting… 
RESNET is not important at this juncture. The livlihoods of those using infrared technology in execution of a home inspection is…;
Therefore…
I call on all purchasers of IR technology and related education to immediately cease any support of these companies or their products. Further, I would explore the possibility of launching class-action lawsuits against the manufacturers and education providers for failing to notify purchasers of their products that a patent issue relating to infringement is active and unresolved.
As an education partner of Kaplan, I wold name HomeSafe in the suit.
The only way to get action is to hold those accountable… accountable.
InterNACHI sells IR cameras and provides IR education.
Do you want to sue InterNACHI?
If that’s what it takes to have this addressed at a federal level, then yes.
The holders of these patents are members of our association.
IMO, we have an ethical duty to either honor…or formally challenge…that patent.
Simply ignoring it is not an option. The people who are selling you an IR camera with the knowledge that your use of it will violate a patent are…at a minimum…doing you a disservice and…at most…are open to being sued by the buyer as well as the patent holder.