Fluke Tir & Tir1

That is probably the best advice I have seen in any of these IR threads, so far.

Don’t get so wrapped up in the camera and get more wrapped up in the applications, training and the marketing to get those jobs. Once you purchase a camera and get the proper training, another world of opportunity opens up for you.

As an example of what Mario is referring to, we had a customer buy a sub $7k camera about 6 months ago that landed a commercial roof job that added up to 1.5mil sq ft. He got .05c a square! He ended up buying a 640x480, super high (low) thermal sensitivity camera from us for that job. The job more than paid for it.

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Read my post again…

The error ration when looking at high emissivity materials like the
plastic and rubber used in romex and breakers is only ± 2%.

If looking at a highly reflective materials, then naturally the error
ratio would increase.

You question about being 100% off will not be answered for
obvious reasons.

I went on a home inspection with a level III thermographer. He had a $30,000 camera.
All I had was a BCAM. I found more defects than he did.

I think Flir makes a really good camera. Everybody at my Flir class commented on how much better the Flukes screen clarity was than their Flirs.

Thats because you had your visor on backwards :wink:

John that is a specification put out by Fluke. It is 5% on the TiR and 2% on the TiR1. http://us.fluke.com/usen/products/specifications.htm?cs_id=37790(FlukeProducts)&category=THG(FlukeProducts)

I would not think what you are looking at would change the accuracy.

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In your camera or the house?

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No… the FLUKE TiR has a ± of 2% when looking at materials with
high emissivity (according to a FLUKE technician and Level III
thermographer)… because the TiR is preset for high emissivity
materials… which is what most non metal and non glass building
materials are made of.

The FLUKE TiR works well doing home inspections for many
home inspectors. I test both the FLUKE and FLIR in my classes.

Like I said, I found more building defects than a Level III thermographer,
while using a simple BCAM.

The camera does not make you an experienced inspector.

Jason… are you an a home inspector? or a salesman?

What was this Fluke’s technicians name?

So why would Fluke put in their datasheets that it is 5%? If it was 2% they would advertise such, it is only to their benefit.

Your previous post in this thread said it is 2% when the target has high reflectivity, your last post said high emissivity. When does this magical 2% happen? Because according to the actual manufature, not a level I, II, III, the superbowl champions, Pete Rose, or Obamas opinion matters much to me when the company making the product says 5%.

And yes I am a salesman, and an authorized distributor for Fluke and Fluke Thermography. But I am not misrepresenting the product here, or anywhere for that matter. The original poster wanted to know the differences between the two units. The accuracy number you are giving him is incorrect. If your information was the final straw in the camels back to make him pull the trigger on a TiR he would be very upset if he needed the unit to perform in a way that you are advertising it does, when it doesn’t.

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What type of Camera did he have John?

Go check it out and verify it. :mrgreen:

It was a $30,000 FLIR model.

BTW… most Level III thermographers in north American cannot
do a home inspection. Nothing special about that.

Perhaps you might learn how some day.

OK I have one for ya… I want to get one of these cameras to bolster my business. Not many of the inspectors in my area have these things. There is a cam that Professional Equipment.com has for 2995… Its a basic thermal camera. My business is a part time venture, I am full time Active Duty Air Force. Would it be better cost wise due to the fact that I dont bring in that much annual revenue to invest in this cheaper camera, or should I try to get something more expensive… I noticed the cost of the training, that will have to come next year!!!

I have been trying to find one of these things used, but they are just not out there…

Advise?

Save your money for a better camera. If you don’t have funds for training until next year,there’s no sense in buying a cheap IR imager now. Save your money a few more years and get the camera and training at the same time.:wink:

At least we now know it was a $30K camera and it was a Flir. Let’s see if you can be more specific with this question. Who certified this Level 3 Thermographer?

The guy won both the camera and the level III cert from a raffel at the AVN conference they do during the World of Concrete show in Vegas. :wink:

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What Linus said. Without reopening the whole specification debate, there is a definite minimum reasonable usability limit for these cameras. There is something to the advice you might have seen on here about buying the most expensive unit you can afford. You could argue that you could make the 3K camera work, but you would be very limited by the thermal conditions you would need to be effective - ie you would need natural EXTREME differentials to see much of anything with the really cheap cameras. Which unfortunately leaves many days when you would be near blind with it, and reduces having one to a marketing gimick.

IMHO, it is better to save your money and wait to buy something a little better that can actually normally work as advertised for your business and the training to go with it.

He was a FLIR - ITC level III thermographer.

It is not suprising, most level III guys do not come out of the
ranks of construction.

I noticed that you mock my comments allot and are short on facts.
Your really making points as a funny salesman… but we need more
than canned talking points and mocking.

Why do you keep referring to a salesman as a negative?

Just horsing around John, sorry if you took it as me mocking you. Mario asked you for the Flir model and the thermographiers name, you didn’t address it, so I added something crazy.

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FLIR B60 Resources](http://www.aikencolon.com/FLIR-Infrared-Imaging-b60-b-60-IR-Thermal-Imager-Camera_p_1564.html)
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