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Originally Posted By: five.five
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Non metallic sheathed cable is required to be secured at which point if a retainer bushing is not used.


8" above the panel ?
Every 4.5 ft. ?
At the panel ?
12" before the panel ?

All I can find that it s/b 12" before the panel, but I was told WRONG. ![icon_sad.gif](upload://nMBtKsE7kuDHGvTX96IWpBt1rTb.gif)

I guess the key word is - if retainer bushing ?
help !


Originally Posted By: jmyers
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Five,


I believe it is within 12 inches of the panel.

What kind of retainer bushing are you talking about?


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Originally Posted By: lfranklin
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Where do these questions come from?


I reading it two different ways. icon_redface.gif Don’t know the answer to either one, icon_redface.gif but will give it a shot anyway


If it is the most the cable can be without support--I would go with 4.5 ft.

But within the panel ---I'm thinking at the panel

So I'll be waiting on the correct answer for this one


Originally Posted By: jmyers
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Guess it always helps to start at the beginning of the problem. icon_cool.gif



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Originally Posted By: five.five
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I got the question from another website I frequent, housensible.com.


There is a link to 2 practice tests, that have 10 questions per each test.


I find them useful, but still question some of the answers.


That way I learn more, and getting help from guys like you is a bonus.


I do appreciate your help ! ![icon_smile.gif](upload://b6iczyK1ETUUqRUc4PAkX83GF2O.gif)


Originally Posted By: Greg Fretwell
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Normally cables will be installed in a romex connector at the cabinet and secured within 12" of exiting the cabinet. 312.5 exception allows the cables to be bundled in a raceway extending above the cabinet with a lot of restrictions but each still has to be secured within 12" of exiting the raceway.


312.5
Exception: Cables with entirely nonmetallic sheaths shall be permitted to enter the top of a surface-mounted enclosure through one or more nonflexible raceways not less than 450 mm (18 in.) or more than 3.0 m (10 ft) in length, provided all the following conditions are met:
(a) Each cable is fastened within 300 mm (12 in.), measured along the sheath, of the outer end of the raceway.
(b) The raceway extends directly above the enclosure and does not penetrate a structural ceiling.
(c) A fitting is provided on each end of the raceway to protect the cable(s) from abrasion and the fittings remain accessible after installation.
(d) The raceway is sealed or plugged at the outer end using approved means so as to prevent access to the enclosure through the raceway.
(e) The cable sheath is continuous through the raceway and extends into the enclosure beyond the fitting not less than 6 mm (1/4 in.).
(f) The raceway is fastened at its outer end and at other points in accordance with the applicable article.
(g) Where installed as conduit or tubing, the allowable cable fill does not exceed that permitted for complete conduit or tubing systems by Table 1 of Chapter 9 of this Code and all applicable notes thereto.
FPN:See Table 1 in Chapter 9, including Note 9, for allowable cable fill in circular raceways. See 310.15(B)(2)(a) for required ampacity reductions for multiple cables installed in a common raceway.

handbook comentary
The exception, which was added for the 1999 NEC, spells out the requirements that allow multiple nonmetallic cables such as Type NM, NMC, NMS, UF, SE, and USE to enter the top of a surface-mounted enclosure through a nonflexible raceway sleeve or nipple. These sleeves or nipples are permitted to be 18 in. to 10 ft in length. However, if the nipple length exceeds 24 in., ampacity adjustment factors as specified in 310.15(B)(2) apply.



Originally Posted By: lfranklin
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After reading the question and see retainer not used I am going with within * inches. icon_rolleyes.gif


Now whats the answer

Is it 12 and the question writer got it wrong.


Originally Posted By: five.five
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Mr.Franklin, now you know why I am on here asking questions all the time, trying to confirm answers, or learn more !!! icon_redface.gif


I feel the same way, I "learned" the 12" rule.

Thanks Mr. Fretwell for the great answers, hope you don't get carpel tunnel!!!


Originally Posted By: lfranklin
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OK, I am totally confused icon_confused.gif


After looking and looking and some of the explanation that I got, and some totally different. Right now my conclusion is at the panel.

Why? 312.5C is a general rule and 312.5 with the exception says all conditions has to be met to be applied.

Now with no retainer at the panel would it not need to be secured at the panel. If it had a retainer then it would be 12 inches.

This one may depend on who you ask.