I'm killing real estate Concierge programs for HI's

Originally Posted By: dharris
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Todd


Is this a Voilation??


I think so, unless they are not allowing all inspectors to place flyers, Some of them require proof of ins/ bond ect.


To the best of my knowelge they cannot require you to belong to any org, or request requirments that exceed state minuium reqiurments


The inspector that raised this issue was /is? a Tucson franchisee inspector, and one of the offices you mentioned were a player in this.
It would probley be worth emailing Melinda at the btr and file a complaint
as there is a committee that handles these issues


Originally Posted By: tallen
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Thanks Dan, I will look into it.



I have put the past behind me,


where , however, it now sits, making rude remarks.


www.whiteglovehomeinspections.net

30 Oct 2003-- 29 Nov2005

Originally Posted By: charper
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Guys,


I am sick and tired of the R/A’s having all the control over who does home inpsections. It seems that if your not in the “clic” you don’t get calls. It should be illegal for any RA to keep “lists” of so-called preferred HI’s. I think it’s time for a “Class Action Lawsuit”


Just Damn.


Charlie


Originally Posted By: dbowers
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- " We know how hard you’ve worked for this sale and we’re here to help you ensure that you get that commission"." Call Dan - The Realtors Friend"


Originally Posted By: tallen
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Thanks Dan,icon_lol.gif I think I have a new motto icon_lol.gif



I have put the past behind me,


where , however, it now sits, making rude remarks.


www.whiteglovehomeinspections.net

30 Oct 2003-- 29 Nov2005

Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko
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Dan:


Absolutely! Thanks to everyone for their efforts. I have been on a mass letter writing campaign since the date I started this thread (see date of first post on page 1). Every action counts. Hit all 3 targets: Legislators, REALTORs, and the program offerers themselves. I remind all, one state board advisory is not the end of this war.


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I much prefer email to private messages.

Originally Posted By: rray
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I like Dan’s company’s motto, too. That’s pretty cool.


I like to tell the Realtors here, "If it could be legal, could be ethical, could be in the best interests of our Clients, and definitely will help you get your commission, we'll do it." ![icon_wink.gif](upload://ssT9V5t45yjlgXqiFRXL04eXtqw.gif)


Originally Posted By: ekartal
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It is illegal for a realtor to make their referral decisions based on what organization a home inspector belongs to. Yeah, like they’re really going to get caught. icon_mad.gif


Erol Kartal


Originally Posted By: rray
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Illegal? Where? I’d like to read the law involved, for whatever state it is.


Massachusetts comes the closest that I'm aware of.


Originally Posted By: ekartal
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Hey Russel,


I'll e-mail my contact and get back to you. ![icon_smile.gif](upload://b6iczyK1ETUUqRUc4PAkX83GF2O.gif)

Erol


Originally Posted By: jgushard
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These programs though illegal since January are alive and well in the Phoenix area. I know personally that we were solicited by Re/Max as an advertiser for $150 for 6 months which placed us in the lobby, and on a preferred list in the back as well. They were braisen even giving us a flyer on fees, we were told there are 18 slots for that office and there was 1 inspection company already, with one that was supposed to fill out paperwork and bring in payment. Almost a push to hurry up and beat the other company. We walked out, and will not go back to that particular office. Century 21 in general will take your flyers and advise that the brokker must “review them” and if you are not a preferred vendor they will be discarded. That was a direct quote and both of these incidents happened within the last month or so.


Anyone who tells you this is not happening is wrong. These practices are alive and well, and anyone paying a real estate office, broker, or agent any money no matter what you call it is wrong. It is illegal and the realtor's and broker's know better and so do the inspector's. There is no exscuse for this behavior.

Compete honestly, let service sell your company. You do not have to bribe realtors, brokers, etc for work.

There were 12,000 resale homes in July for the Phoenix area alone. That is alot of work. Then you figure the new homes that still need an inspector, and the repeat business you could get with a "home maintenace" or preservation package. There is no reason we should ever stoop so low as to bribe others for work.

Why anyone is willing to get involved in this is beyond me. Especially with Neglegent Referral lawsuits for Realtors. It seems stupid but the dollar is stronger than the ethics of so many these days.


Originally Posted By: rray
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jgushard wrote:
These programs though illegal since January

Can you post the law or provide a link to it?

I did note that you stated that you were solicited as an "advertiser." Advertising under the law is different from bribes, kickbacks, and referral fees under the law. I also noted that there were other home inspection companies being asked to advertise. One already had and another was completing paper work. Does sound like advertising, to me.

Any company that one advertises with has the right to provide perks for your advertising, especially if you are a loyal advertiser.


Originally Posted By: mcraig
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Dan H. You were there when the descission was made, you are a member of NACHI so NACHI was represented. Dan why don’t you head up a local chapter of NACHI some one of your stature and experience could do an excellant job. I nominate Dan Harris to be the head of the local NACHI chapter, Do I have a second on that? icon_biggrin.gif icon_biggrin.gif icon_biggrin.gif


Originally Posted By: jgushard
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From an ethical and literal standpoint, any payment made to a realtor, broker, or brokerage co is a kickback, bribe, etc. I do not care what you call it, and how you misconstrue it.


Anyone participating in these programs is engaging in illicit, illegal activity, that hurts customers. This is not about advertising folks its about not competing and exchanging of money for the privilege.

Justin Gushard
JAM Home Inspections


Originally Posted By: jgushard
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To add further to my previous comment. Just because some other home inspector did it first does not make it right. We have a code of ethics to uphold and that does not mean that we get to be shady when no one is looking.


We have to be honest and upfront all the time. Our business relies too heavily on realtors when they are not the purchaser of the home. We need to realize we work for the client. We need to offer service and cater to the client. A good realtor sees this and appreciates it.

Don't go along with what everyone else is doing. Be afraid not to stand out and up, and say "no" when its not right. Come on people its pointed out and in black and white no all you need to do is comply.


Justin Gushard
JAM Home Inspections


Originally Posted By: jgushard
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The Arizona BTR ruling is available on this site under What’s New. The topic is titled Arizona State Board of Technical Registration supports NACHI.


All the information is there in black and white.

Thanks,

Justin


Originally Posted By: Scott Patterson
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If NACHI wants to really forbid any type of a pay to get on the list program like the Concierge program why not spell it out in the NACHI Code of Ethics. ASHI has already done this so if NACHI jumps up and raises its bar this will impact a larger percentage of inspectors across the country. This would then leave NAHI and we all know why they will remain soft and not change.


Scott


Originally Posted By: rray
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Sorry, Justin. But you’re not going to tell me where I can and cannot advertise.


I don't yet advertise with any of the concierge services, nor in any of their magazines or folders, etc., but it's on my list of things to do next year. I don't think any of them are the most effective advertising for start-ups and growth companies. But for maintenance, they certainly are valid.

The AZ BTR advisory is pretty black and white. It says absolutely nothing about advertising. Of course, it can't. For them to prevent anyone from advertising would be inherently un-American, un-democratic, and un-capitalistic.


Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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Let’s understand what we are speaking about, here.


There is a difference between advertising and a kckback. Sometimes the lines get blurred, but there is a clear distinction. Advertising in a realtor's book is legitimate. There is nothing wrong with it. I dont like the offices that wont let you introduce yourself to their agents, or drop off cards, unless you advertise with them. So, I dont waste my time. I eventually wind up on their inspections, anyway.

Most realtors have three four inspectors that they recommend. This is a fact of life in this profession. I have worked damned hard to build a good reputation as a thorough and fair inspector. Yes, I said fair, because facts indicate that some HI's arent fair. Many in this area trash every other house whether warranted or not, just to get the follow-on inspection from the same client. That practice is just as unethical as some of the others spoken of here.

There is another inspector, who rarely posts on this board (but once did) who holds himself up as the most ethical inspector in the land. Yet he openly lies about his former position on our own Ethics Committee, and touts a certain association as the most ethical in the land (not ASHI, by the way), yet he conveniently neglects to inform anyone that it is tiny, has no impact, and is owned and operated by himself. Sounds unethical to me.

So, it's obvious that ethics is something that cannot be legislated by any association, and is something that is equally difficult to enforce as a matter of law.

But, to suggest that every paid relationship an inspector may have with a real estate agency is unthical, is bunk. It's only unethical if you allow it to be.

No one has seen fit to halt P2P's "contest" every year, which is set up to encourage, and remind, realtors to be sure and use a P2P inspector. They were the fastest growing HI franchise in the land.

As to Concierge, I jumped through hoops to be a part of it one year. There were no fees for HIs. I signed agreements, named them as co-insureds, went to CB offices, and did everything I was supposed to. I received zero referrals in 12 months.

So much for "kickbacks". The only kkickback I received was the kick in the a$% I gave myself for wasting my time. Realtors referr who they trust to perform a fair and impartial inspection. My obligation is to my client, and I inform them of every defect. The trust portion on the part of the agents who like me is the fact that when I say its a defect, it really is one.

So what next? Is anyone going to suggest that if I buy a box of doughnuts or a tray of bagels each month for a realtor office who happens to referr me, that this is somehow unethical and should be illegal?


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Joe Farsetta

Illigitimi Non Carborundum
"Dont let the bastards grind you down..."

Originally Posted By: jonofrey
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jfarsetta wrote:

There is another inspector, who rarely posts on this board (but once did) who holds himself up as the most ethical inspector in the land. Yet he openly lies about his former position on out own Ethics Committee, and touts an association as the most ethical in the land, yet he conveniently neglects to inform anyone that it is tiny, has no impact, and is owned and operated by himself. Sounds unethical to me.


Uh, let me guess Joe. He's right here in "H" town with me. Isn't he?


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