Inspection Training-Long Island, NY

Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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Bill,


Please stop promoting your school. There are requirements for 140 hours of initial HI training in NY, with 100 hours of classroom time broken into 4 25-hour modules, and 40 hours of actual live inspections.

This is the requirement. Period. Based on this, it would be prudent for those wishing to enter the profession to wait for the requirements to be published, and wait for a school to be approved.

As to any notion that someone entering the profession today, and achieving 100 paid inspections by year end, would be exempt from the 140 hour training program is doubtful. It flies in the face of the spirit of the law. I do not believe the DOS will grant such an exemption.

You have also mentioned a "strategy" for getting the inspections completed and logged by year end. I would hope that such a strategy will include enforcing the reality that the log needs to contain records of actual inspections, which conform to a generic and very real SOP used in the industry. Drive bys and appraisal-style "inspections" will not cut it. These reports and records need to be the real deal. The DOS folks have been going out on actual inspections with NACHI inspectors. They are not stupid.

Anyone providing a bogus log, with incomplete or ficticous inspections, will be denied a license. Again, the inspections need to conform to a generis SOP, common through the home inspection industry. ASHI, NAHI, NACHI... all pretty close to one another. Anyone whoi tells you differently is either mis-informed or attempting to skirt the law.


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Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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courses on major components may be in question based upon the fact that the state believes engineers must evaluate these systems exclusively.


I do not know where you got this from, but it is not true. The subject was discussed at length with representatives of the DOS. The specific language in the law you elude to mentions that Home Inspections is not the practice of architecture or professional engineering. Within that specific context, no one believes that what an engineer does and what a home inspector does is on par.

The education law of the state of NY states the type of work an engineer may do. It does not prohibit similar efforts performed, within the specific scope of another profession. The PEs of NY State simply did not want the practice of Home Inspections to be considered a true licensed profession, or enable an inspector to perform the same scope of wotk an engineer does. The fact that you bring this up makes me wonder what type of inspections you perform, or instruct your students to perform.

The practice of professional engineering and home inspections are mutually exclusive. That is why architects, engineers, and code officcials are exempt from licensing, when performing similar functions within the scope of their profession. There are disctinctions between all, including that of the home inspector. Any home inspector that performs, or represents that he performs a true structural evaluation, is looking for trouble. Observing and reporting on defects noted is not the practice of professional engineering.


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Originally Posted By: bsmith
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I have been following the subject of NY licensing very closely. It seems that I will have a better chance of getting accurate licensing information at the 9/15 LI Chapter meeting.


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Bill Smith


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Originally Posted By: bmerrell
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LEN UNGAR AND I ARE IN AGREEMENT. WE ARE PLANNING ON BOTH A SEPTEMBER 1ST AND SEPTEMBER 15TH MEETING- ALL MEMBERS HAVE THE RIGHT TO ATTEND ANY MEETING THEY WANT.


www.LINACHI.ORG FOR DETAILS OF BOTH MEETINGS

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Originally Posted By: fduemig
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room for improvement. Moreover, any inspection school, course, curriculum, etc., no matter how good, always has room for improvement. The good ones recognize that, as the good people at LIU do. Thanks Rob.


Fred


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Originally Posted By: bmerrell
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Fred:


You are right. A course for continuing ed that is limited in hours is not the same as a comprehensive course in Home Inspection.

Until the state approves any course, I think we are both in agreement that No reputable school should offer a program it hopes may be approved. I will will to see what courses are ultimately approved, and then submit them. If the state sees fit to approve them, I will run the program and that will be that!

Thanks for your input!


Originally Posted By: bmerrell
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Rob:


Who is Craig Carvalho? First he discusses on-line courses, then your school, then my school, the he articulates my school, then quotes a supposed conversation we had and then tells all he is enrolling in CW Post, which by the way is not a SUNY school as a posting suggested.

Not a NACHI member, and not in our files for a brochure. Is there a way that members can enter these message boards as visitors and use fictitious names. If so, then that should be stopped.

As you know, NACHI has endorsed my program to date and once the state allows schools to apply, I expect to offer the comprehensive program if approved by the state. If not, then I will hire an instructor to teach the course for me. That's what schools do.

Can you shed any light on this.

Bill C. Merrell, Ph.D- NACHI MEMBER
NY Metro Education Chapter Chair
(Yes there is an Education Chapter in NY and the web site is www.NACHImeeting.com )

Thank for our conversations to date and if you need information for the 9-15 meting Len told me to ask you.


Originally Posted By: roconnor
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Merell wrote:
Rob: Who is Craig Cavalry? ... Can you shed any light on this.

It appears he is just someone interested in becoming an HI. Most areas of the board are open to everyone, including Craig as a non-member. I think that is a good thing. The board is an excellent resource for those considering or just entering the profession. I often refer my students here to research HI business and technical topics, post questions, and continue learning. One of the many things that makes NACHI a great organization in my opinion.

Keep in mind that NYS DOS is not trying to reinvent a square wheel with HI training. The draft education guidelines out for review by those in the industry appears to be pretty reasonable and straight forward, and a pretty close match to some of the more comprehensive HI training programs ... although the draft guidelines can use some fine tunning ... just like any other draft document ... ![icon_wink.gif](upload://ssT9V5t45yjlgXqiFRXL04eXtqw.gif)


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I am absolutely amazed sometimes by how much thought goes into doing things wrong

Originally Posted By: bmerrell
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Do you need an extra guide which was presented at the 9-1-05 meeting. I am sure that each meeting, there will always be discussion and added clarification required and if you want an extra guidebook, I have one for you at my office. Call me on Tuesday or Wednesday and you can pick it up.


Just trying to help. It includes the postponement amendment in judiciary, the regs' for the exam by outline percentage. It also includes many dos regs you should already have including the 9-21 law proposal draft and the outline draft.

Good luck at the 9-15 meeting.

With NACHI membership at 375 in new York State, NACHI is growing. It is important to work towards licensing which is perceived a positive. As you already know, there was a mass exit in appraisal associations when licensing came to Long Island. Reason, if I am licensed, why do I need an association. I don't want that to happen with the NACHI membership. Others may be harmed, but I am confident that my students will remain loyal NACHI members due to the multitude of information and documents they can received from being a member.

I am concerned that this message board is free and open to all persons and everyone has the right to speak your mind, and explain your position. That should apply to everyone then. Free speech lives in America, but not at the expense of any member or any individual.

Negative comments are no place for a public message board, wheras someone with limited information applies this information, and takes it to a new level of misinformation.

Just like you thought that the 9-1 meeting as about my school. You learned that was false. But the damage had already been done. The message board indicated 2 years as the minimum requirement for grandfathering and now we find, from the State of NY directly that that is untrue. Within 2 years can be less than 1 year as long as an inspector has completed 100 inspections which can be proven.

I, myself was fearful due to my disability that I may not qualify under the law, since the majority of inspections were done personally by me years ago. Now I find that this may not be the case at all. I reinspected many homes already performed as a "review procedure". In fact I re-inspected and performed a new inspection to verify and validate a newbies work. Since it is a proven inspection, paid for a done by me, it may count.

Other questions which I have already sent to the DOS are as follows:

Will draw inspections count towards licensing? They they do not, are then those individual exempt from the law.

Will Insurance inspections count towards licensing? If they do not, are then those individual exempt from the law.

Will HUD 203K inspections for repair count towards licensing? If not are then those individuals exempt from the law.

Will repairs required prior to a closing in which a bank hires an inspector to verify work completed be accepted as credit towards licensing? If not are then those individuals exempt from the laws.

These are major inspection areas. If they are not accepted for credit, then the performance of these items will be exempt as well. This must be addressed before the licensing come into place.

My motives have been questioned, but my knowledge had not by the 9-1 meeting participants who read all the work and energy and all the DOS and GORR communications as well as the postponement amendment which no one was notified about. The DOS told me about it, and as such it became a topic of conversation and every inspector who wants to make sure that this process of licensing becomes a smooth process, should request the postponement via their assembly or senator. Only via the rank in file members getting on board will make a difference.

If you want any additional docs I have, let me know and I will be happy to supply it to you. Much luck at the 9-15 meeting. I know that the new information will not be ready until the 24th so, next months will be the really important one.

All the best- Have a great meeting.

Bill Merrell- Fellow NACHI member


Originally Posted By: roconnor
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bmerrell wrote:
Will draw inspections count towards licensing? They they do not, are then those individual exempt from the law.

Will Insurance inspections count towards licensing? If they do not, are then those individual exempt from the law.

Will repairs required prior to a closing in which a bank hires an inspector to verify work completed be accepted as credit towards licensing? If not are then those individuals exempt from the laws.

Those are not full home inspections under the definition in the NY law, and therefore will not qualify for experience as a fee paid "Home Inspection". They should also be exempt, as long as there is no assessment or report on the suitability, compliance, or condition of the components and systems of the home ... which would require a state license. That would have to be deferred to a licensed HI or PE/RA depending on the circumstances.

bmerrell wrote:
Will HUD 203K inspections for repair count towards licensing? If not are then those individuals exempt from the law.

Part of a 203K consultants work typically includes a full home inspection, which should qualify as a fee paid "Home Inspection". Subsequent 203K consultant's draw inspections would not qualify. Also, to be qualified as a HUD 203K "Consultant", one must also have a state license as a Home Inspector and General Contractor if that state requires those licenses (no mention of local contractor licenses). So Hud 203K Consultants here in NY will also need to get an HI License from NYS DOS in the very near future.

Also, we probably have the same draft guidelines and info if the NYS DOS also sent you copies of the latest ones directly. The final training guideline may not be available for a little while. But I am hopeful that as a minimum the grandfather license application will be completed very shortly, so experienced inspectors can at least get the paperwork for the grandfather license started.


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Robert O'Connor, PE
Eagle Engineering ?
Eagle Eye Inspections ?
NACHI Education Committee

I am absolutely amazed sometimes by how much thought goes into doing things wrong

Originally Posted By: jbushart
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Before seriously considering any more input from Mr. Merrell, I would encourage you to read this thread.


http://www.nachi.org/bbsystem/viewtopic.php?p=160813#160813


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