Home inspection programs in New York.

Originally Posted By: gromicko
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http://www.approvedhomeinspectoreducation.com



Nick Gromicko


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I much prefer email to private messages.

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We have priced our programs to be affordable to NACHI Members as well as New Yorkers in general. We guarantee a substantial discount to NACHI Members, and thank NACHI for our relationship.


We will not take 1 penny until the 140 hour program is officially approved, and even though we have 11 students who have pre-registered, Name, address and phone number only as of this date, we have informed each potential student that until the state of New York approves the entire program, and we post our approval code here, on this bb, no NACHI member will have to worry about attending a program which may not receive approval.

The state put a minor twist to things, as of yesterday they announced that each school attempting to be approved MUST provide all 5 modules, which MUST include the 40 hour supervised inspection module. It will be up to the student if he or she wants to take that specific module, but it it mandatory for the school to make it available as part of the program.

We will be using the Carson Dunlop Home Inspection Book and the Marsha Spada Book (Both books) for our program. We will also utilize power point presentations as part of the program to show each section of the instruction process. To this end our facilities have a 7 foot screen for this purpose.

As long as New York State approves our program as hoped and expected (yes, I am optimistic) we as a school will offer a FREE scholarship raffle at our booth at the National NACHI Conference, and at no other National Conference. This is worth approx. $ 2,000 (well $ 1995) including all books, and materials and as compared to competition, a greater savings overall. Everyone who signs up for our program in 2005 who is at the 2006 Convention will also be receiving an extra $ 100 off gift certificate to the entire program. That is every visitor to our site who wishes to attend the program.

It is our way of saying thanks to NACHI for their support and their professionalism in the field of Home Inspection. We have listed our Home Inspection program for those who do not plan on becoming licensing, such as Real Estate Salespersons and Brokers who wish to learn more about the industry, and may at a later date wish to enter the field of Home Inspecting. To that end, to support the Realtors who have been invited to the NACHI conference, we will also give away a New York State Continuing Education Scholarship to a realtor who could benefit from the NACHI Conference and also learn more about the field of Home Inspection.

We, as a school and as a firm which has a presence o the internet is also listing NACHI members who wish to be listed in our Professional New York State Directory. We have received 40+ applications during the September meeting, and we are still giving away a listing to this site at the national NACHI conference for NACHI members from new York who wish to be listed on the internet.

Our hope and desire is to work with NACHI towards the good of new York as it relates to education . knowledge and professionalism. We are in a transition phase in new York regarding licensing, and our school will also help anyone to fill out the application to meet the grandfathering clause, and help them to do so legally and ethically. Yes, we are helping NACHI members who as a result of our assistance may not need education. That may sound like a twist, but in reality it will and does show our school's commitment to NACHI and it's members.

As always, anyone who wishes to contact me can at anytime via this bb system. You can also check our our main site on the net at www.merrellinstitute.com

Thank you for your allowing me to be part of NACHI and I am doing what I can to give something back to this fine organization.


Originally Posted By: bmerrell
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I also wanted to say Thank You to Nick for his posting of this newest link from my school for NACHI members, which is not a public site, meaning it is not being advertised to the general public.


I further want to thank all the NACHI members I have met over the last several months. And in closing, if anyone's name is misspelled in the Directory, let us know and we will fix it immediately.

When the applications are officially available, Len Ungar will host the Long Island Meeting and I have pledged to help and offer additional free listings on the Professional Internet Directory to the attendees of this meeting as well. (I will also make this offer available free at the National Conference!)

And although it was rumored that we had Lobster and Filet Mignon at our last meeting, the truth is that it was Prime Rib, Filet of Sole stuffed with Crab Meat, Penne ala Vodka with Grilled Chicken , chicken scampi or Chicken Cutlet Parm. with Linguini. I love to eat and have a great relationship with the restaurant owners who made the September NACHI meeting event special and will do the same when Len Ungar announces the next meeting. Keep up-to-date by looking at www.linachi.org for more information as to the next NACHI meeting. Everyone is invited, and I hope most of the attendees can benefit from the grandfathering clause, which is very liberal( with 2 tiers), and then these individuals will not need any further education. Some may not even need to take the state exam.

I am excited by the news in the state and happy that NACHI members will benefit from the regs. In addition to my work with Len Ungar who has been great in his assistance in this endeavor, Joe F. deserves much credit for his hard work in assisting i the development of a law which NACHI members can live with. To that end Thank you gentlemen.

I look forward to working with you in the future.

I look forward to working with all NACHI members in New York for years to come!


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Originally Posted By: jmahr
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Nick:


As a paid up member of NACHI I would like to have American Building Inspection and Training Co., Inc. listed under the education tab of NACHI.
My training school is the only Licensed Training School approved by the New York State Department of Education. I would very much like the same coverage provided to other schools by NACHI.

Joe Mahr


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Originally Posted By: bmerrell
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To date, as everyone in NY State is aware, NYS, Dept. of State has not approved any course for the Licensing of Home Inspectors. The applications have been sent out to each school as of this past Friday and the approval will occur as of 1-1-06 via the NYS, Dept. of State, Division of Licensing Services.


I am sure that any school whose school is a vendor can be on the site, and it is my understanding that Mr. Mahr's school is on the list at NACHI Mall.

I would like to remind every inspector to try to attend the 11-15-05 meeting at 6pm at the Paradise Diner to learn how to properly fill out your applications otherwise they will be returned and rejected by the Dept. of State.

We have extra applications at the meeting and a manual on how to fil out the application and how to keep your records when the state audits your experience log for your License as a Home Inspector.

I wish all NACHI members a safe and happy weekend. I expect that with licensing upon us, everyone will be happy to learn about the approved programs as they occur from the DOS!

I have made a very detailed point of staying out of your situations, Mr. Mahr and I will not comment upon your approval from the Dept. of Education, but rather recommend you apply to the Dept. of State, set up the outline to meet NYS guidelines and submit the 4 exams to obtain approvals. Then once you have completed same, there will be not question as to DOS approval.

I clearly stated that no school has been approved for Licensing. You or any school can be Licensed as a trade school, but that does not specifically mean that your License will automatically allow you to be grandfathered (actually the state uses the word grandparented) into a Dept. of State approval. We spoke of this.

Further, Nick announced your school well before this web site was even listed on the BB.

Check the system, you will find it listed as an announcement.


Originally Posted By: jmahr
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Mr. Merrell unfortunately is not aware of a recent letter ABITCO received from the Deputy Secretary of State for Business and Licensing Services, Mr Albert P. Jurcznski indicating that the “Department of State does not license schools”


It is impossible to know how many NACHI potential home inspectors will have missed an opportunity to get an early start on training as a result of the previous misleading information listed by Mr. Merrill and Joe Farsetta regarding ABITCO's Home Inspector Training School License.

Mr Merrell would be well advised to obtain a license from the Department of Education in order to have a license to teach home inspectors in New York.

Joe Mahr, Director
American Building Inspection and Training Co., Inc.

www.abitcoinc.com


Originally Posted By: bmerrell
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Your reply statements are misleading and simply not truthful. At this point, the potential implications from Mr. Mahr are too much to ignore. He is and has misrepresented himself to NACHI members and I will be filing a complaint for his actions.


To be specific, I am quoting the same DOE laws you are attempting to hide behind, as follows:

ARTICLE 101 (Sections quotes from Law)
PRIVATE TRADE AND CORRESPONDENCE SCHOOLS (Non-Degree Granting)
Section 5001. Licensed private schools and registered business schools.
? 5001. Licensed private schools and registered business schools/ computer training facilities.
2. Exempt schools.
The following schools are exempted from the licensing requirement of this section:
a. institutions authorized to confer degrees in this state;
b. schools, other than correspondence schools, providing kindergarten, nursery, elementary or secondary education, except schools conducted for profit which provide instruction in English as a second language or preparation for high school equivalency examinations to out-of-school youth or adults;
c. schools operated by governmental agencies or authorities;
d. schools which engage exclusively in training of students with disabilities as defined in section forty-four hundred one of this chapter;
e. schools conducted on a not-for-profit basis by firms or organizations for the training of their own employees only, provided that such instruction is offered at no charge to such employees, or by a fraternal society or benevolent order for its members or their immediate relatives only;
f. schools which provide instruction in the following subjects only: religion, dancing, music, painting, drawing, sculpture, poetry, dramatic art, languages, reading comprehension, mathematics, recreation and athletics;
g. schools in which the course of instruction is licensed, registered or approved under any other section of this chapter or by any other department or agency of the state;
(PLEASE NOTE: SINCE NYS, DOS APPROVES THE ENTIRE OUTLINE, COURSE OF INSTRUCTION, LOCATION, INSTRUCTORS, EXAMS, AND NAMES OF GRADUATES MUST BE SENT TO THE NYS DEPT. OF STATE, IT WOULD BE REASONABLE TO CONCLUDE THAT THESE COURSES ARE APPROVED BY THE DEPT. OF STATE AND THEREFORE UNDER THE DEPT. OF ED. EXEMPTION REGULATIONS AS I HAVE STATED FROM DAY 1)
h. schools which provide instruction designed solely for giving flight training and/or related ground school instruction.
i. schools in which instruction designed solely to prepare applicants for admission to professional licensing examinations administered by the department pursuant to title eight of this chapter, and applicants for examination for admission to the practice of law;
j. schools which offer continuing education courses exclusively for individuals licensed by the department pursuant to title eight of this chapter and for individuals admitted to the practice of law;
k. schools which provide instruction given exclusively to employees of a person or organization which has contracted with another person or organization to provide such instruction at no cost to the employees;
l. conferences, trade shows, workshops, seminars, institutes or courses of study offered and sponsored either jointly or individually by recognized trade, business or professional organizations for the benefit of their membership; or those offered to the general public by individuals, firms or organizations which neither conduct such activities for a duration of more than five consecutive days nor more frequently than twice in any one calendar year;
m. schools which provide instruction exclusively to persons employed full-time or part-time in the field in which instruction is being offered, where the instruction is provided to meet continuing education standards required for professional licensure as defined by law in this state;.
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Our programs are approved under the authority of the NYS, Dept. Of State, Division of Licensing Services for Licensing and Continuing Education. In addition we offer programs to assist in preparing for Licensing pursuant to State guidelines.

I will send this letter to NACHI for review to see if Mr. Mahr's message Board information is clearly misinformed, inappropriate and in violation of the regulations which are the basis of NACHI membership

THIS OFFICIAL POST IS THE BASIS FOR A COMPLAINT AGAINST MR. MAHR AND HIS MISSTATEMENTS WHICH WOULD CAUSE POTENTIAL HARM TO A FELLOW NACHI OR MULTIPLE NACHI MEMBERS.

MR. MAHR. YOUR PROGRAMS ARE NOT APPROVED BY NEW YORK STATE, DEPT. OF STATE AND YOU CANNOT HIDE BEHIND THIS FACT. I PERSONALLY CALLED YOU TO LET YOU KNOW THE REGS AND YOU CALLED ME BACK AND TOLD ME YOU DIDN'T AGREE WITH ME. FINE! BUT TO ATTEMPT STUPID ACCUSATIONS AND OFFERING LEGAL ADVISE WHEN I BELIEVE YOU ARE MISLEADING NACHI MEMBERS IS OVER THE TOP. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH MR. MAHR. SHOW PROOF THAT YOU ARE NEW YORK STATE, DEPT. OF STATE APPROVED, OR AGREE THAT YOU HAVE MISLEAD A NUMBER OF HARDWORKING INSPECTORS WHO TOOK YOUR WEB SITE AT FACE VALUE!

I MUST FILE A COMPLAINT FOR MULTIPLE VIOLATIONS- I WILL FOLLOW WHATEVER PROCESS IS NECESSARY TO COMPLY WITH NACHI GUIDELINES, BUT ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

MR. MAHRS POST, WHICH HAS BEEN COPIED AND ARCHIVED IS PART OF THE COMPLAINT, JUST IN CASE IT IS REMOVED OR ALTERED!


Originally Posted By: jrivera
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Mr. Mahr, Mr. Mahr, Mr. Mahr



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Originally Posted By: jrivera
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jrivera wrote:
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just thought I'd repeat myself, myself, myself, myself


Originally Posted By: bmerrell
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Since the complaint has been filed, I will not discuss this situation further until NACHI rules on same.


It was e-mailed both the NACHI staff, and NACHI Ethic Committee for determination.

I would also like to know the disposition of the complaint filed by Len Ungar regarding his complaint last month. To date, he informed me that he did not receive any reply to same. Just a question as to how long the process takes regarding items such as these.

Thank you and I wish and hope all NACHI members who need inspection courses, ONLY attend NYS, Dept. of State approved courses with a DOS approval code attached to it. Otherwise, the Dept. of State, who regulates the license (as all NACHI members now know since it's right on their application) may not accept the education. I said months ago it is a wait and see situation, but to make believe that Dept. of Education approval of a school name will trump the dos regs is untrue.


Originally Posted By: bmerrell
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http://www.nachi.org/bbsystem/viewtopic.php?t=15931


Originally Posted By: jmahr
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I HAVE NO INTENTION OF CHANGING A SINGLE WORD I SAID. EVERYTHING I SAID IS TRUE!


JOE MAHR


Originally Posted By: bmerrell
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I stand by my notifications and information supplied to NACHI members. I do not agree with your prior statements and do not wish further communication with you. I stand by my statements.


Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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Mr. Mahr,


You are one hard headed individual. Unfortunately, in this instance, you may be wrong. The fact that you have not heard a single word that many of us, who have been involved in the licensing process for a long time, have been desperately trying to tell you, is perturbing to say the least. As a vendor with the NACHI logo on his site, you have a duty to be truthful. That truth needs to be more than a convenient spin. As a NACHI member, your duty is even higher.

Despite all of this, you continue to malign me. You confound all of us, with a defiance that is nothing short of ponderous. My suggestion is for you to really read the NACHI COE. I realiuze that you are a past ASHI chapter president, but that holds little water here. It is you who sought membership and approval, not the other way around. I's also suggest you read the requirements as set up by the DOS. Read the applications. Read the curriculum. Read the law, as to who will license the HI schools in NY State. Then read the verbiage on your own website.

Unfortunately, your latest actions and attitude with regard to this subject have, once again, raised the issue to new levels.

Your personal animous towards me is the reason I have remained silent, and have not been part of the discussion behind the scenes. You stated that I have some agenda which involves Mr. Merrell. Your statement is hilarious. I have neither met Mr. Merrell, nor spoken to him over the telephone on more than a single occasion. I can tell you that I put the man through hell over a similar issue to your own. The banter and hijinks still exist on posts on this very message board for you to review. Since that time, I am very pleased to state, for the record, that Mr. Merrell has gone out of his way to be helpful to NACHI members, to learn the law in a manner consistent with one who wants to be in full compliance, has embraced the process and NACHI's membership, and is a damned good NACHI citizen. To state that our former relationship was contentious is an understatement. That's right.

As to your previous request, your complaint against me was indeed forwarded to the Ethics Committee , along with the Member Advisory Board, NACHI President, and Excutive Director. I must admit, I haven't seen a new member and vendor get this much attention in a very long time.

You should be very proud.


--
Joe Farsetta

Illigitimi Non Carborundum
"Dont let the bastards grind you down..."

Originally Posted By: bmerrell
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I wish to thank Nick for posting this page and I wish to thank Joe Farsetta for his prior posting.


Joe- For some reason within the next several months you will find that your hard work has paid off and those who doubted your statements regarding the Dept. of State will be found to be incorrect.

What I don't understand is how the Dept. of Education has the right to trump the Dept. of State when their own code states that they exempt those schools that are approved by another part of the Dept. or any other agency in the state, which would include the Dept. of State.

Very interesting, indeed.

Thanks for the supportive comments. And you are right, we have had our disagreemtns, but as stated what I like about NACHI is we can agree to disagree. I think NACHI Members in NY are benefiting from your major contributions and those that Len and I are actively doing in the Long Island area.

Be well!


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Quote:
module 5

40 hours of field based training under a licensed home Inspector.
*Students will be responsible for locating the houses to be inspected, ABITCO will provide a licensed home inspector to accompany you on the home inspections.


How can an unlicensed inspector, schedule an inspection legally under the new law and you provide a licensed home inspector to accompany that person under the 40 hr requirements of the law?

Seems to me that if a 100 hr student tried to schedule an inspection he would be in violation of the law and subject to penalties and possible loss of ever receiving a license.

From the NYSDLS site

Quote:
? Education: Taken and successfully completed a course of study of not less that 140 hours approved by the Council. 40 of those hours must be unpaid field based inspections in the presence of and under direct supervision of a Home Inspector licensed by NYS, or a professional engineer or architect, regulated by NYS. The specifics regarding coursework will be determined by the department, in consultation with the council,


Exactly what are you telling your potential students to do to reach the required 40 hrs of supervised and unpaid field inspections?

Paul Sabados


--
NACHI Vice President

NACHI Foundation, President

Convention Coordinator

Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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Mr Mahr is incorrect, again, in his assertions.


It is my clear understanding that the 40 hours of hands-on field inspections must be a permanent part of the curriculum offered by the school. In other words, the school is responsible to supply the field work, not just the inspector/supervisor.

This is the most challenging portion of the curriculum for most schools to comply with. In fact, the DOS will likely permit multiple student-inspectors to accompany the instructor on the 40 hour field excersise, which shoots down Mr Mahr's plans.

There is also a provision in the education regulations/curriculum which permits the student to opt-out of the 40-hours of school-provided field training, if the student has made other arrangements. That is not to say, however, that the school is not obligated to make the 40-hours available as a part of the course.

Mr. Mahr, a question: Has your school been approved by the DOS as having an accepted course curriculum? Do you have a number for us to reference?

As yo your request to be listed, my suggestion is for you to modify the verbiage on your website to correctly reflect that the application process has been started, and that ABITCO has either been granted approval by the DOS, or that said approvals are pending, for the purposes of compliance with NY Stare HI licensing laws.

This has bee the reasonable request, which has been stated before, and which is stated once again.


--
Joe Farsetta

Illigitimi Non Carborundum
"Dont let the bastards grind you down..."

Originally Posted By: bmerrell
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Once my program is approved by the NYS, Dept. of State I will reduce the fee even further for NACHI members to under 1400 for the entire 140 hour program and under 1000 for the 100 hour module, books includes, which will include all materials as part of this price.


I would like to see anyone in New York beat this price and guarantee to NACHI members, all materials included!

A Loyal NACHI Member. Our school doesn't have to make a lot of money to be in business and pay the bills! We are happy to be part of the newest licensing program in NY State, known as the Licensed Home Inspector License. I was and still am excited about the 81 attendees at tonight;s chapter meeting and as such and happy to give NACHI members the added incentive to remain in the field to help them obtain their licensure in NY State.

Our program is pending approval- Just submitted outlines and 5 modules for state review- Was told we should be notified shortly! I am using their outline, their guidelines and their structure for the program, so I am confident it should meet the educational requirements for NYS, DOS.

I am still not taking 1 penny for the program until it is officially approved and I have a Dept. of State number to proudly hang on the wall and post of this message board!