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Originally Posted By: jpope
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This was the original fused panel (in a closet) that had been replaced by a new exterior panel. All of the splices were made in this shell.


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Other than how it looks, is there anything wrong with this practice? There were no open knock-outs and the box appeared solid.

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Originally Posted By: jschwartz1
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It appears someone made this a junction box and pulled the wires to the exterior panel like you mentioned. I would recommend the buyer get a copy of all permits pulled on the property and include them as a part of the sellers diclosure statement.

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Originally Posted By: Kenneth Sitzes
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Hi,


That the way it is done in this part of this state. They are inspected an approved by the city inspector here.

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Originally Posted By: rmoore
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Jeff…


This came up in another thread some time ago and I'm almost certain that one of our in house sparkies said that there should be a blank plate firmly attached. In other words, the hinged door by itself does not offer adequate protection against access. Think about children coming across this!

The one in your photo looks like it is keyed? I think that would be OK as long as the key wasn't left in it.

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Originally Posted By: jpope
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I think I remember that eusa_think.gif

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Originally Posted By: psmothers
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Originally Posted By: dvalley
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Richard,

Are you sure about the hinged door? I wasn't aware that this panel (containing splices) had to have a secured cover installed over this.

Please confirm.

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Originally Posted By: bbadger
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I can not find any requirements to screw the cover on.


I can even buy large junction boxes with hinged covers.

That said from a safety standpoint I would and have screwed panel covers shut used like this.

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Originally Posted By: dvalley
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Thank you Bob. I learn something new every day.


I'll start mentioning that these specific junctions need screw-on covers.

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Originally Posted By: jmertins
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I do not think the distance around the box with regards to obstructions meets codes.

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Originally Posted By: bbadger
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jmertins wrote:
I do not think the distance around the box with regards to obstructions meets codes.


If it still had breakers in it you would be correct, as a junction box it is all set.

They have not yet required work space rules at junction boxes.

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Originally Posted By: jpeck
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Bob,


Your large hinged junction box is listed that way.

This box was listed with a dead front cover (with breaker or fuses blocking the 'openings' in the dead front cover.

That dead front cover was removed with the 'panelboard'. The 'enclosure' was likely listed for use WITH the dead front cover.

I'd want to see a piece of sheet metal screwed in place over the opening.

To me, screwing the hinged cover in place does not take care of that as well as installing a dead front front cover.

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Originally Posted By: jpope
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jpeck wrote:
I'd want to see a piece of sheet metal screwed in place over the opening.


Wouldn't that sheet metal need to be listed as well?

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Originally Posted By: bbadger
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jpeck wrote:
Bob,

I'd want to see a piece of sheet metal screwed in place over the opening.

To me, screwing the hinged cover in place does not take care of that as well as installing a dead front front cover.


Then when you get there write it up that way. ![icon_smile.gif](upload://b6iczyK1ETUUqRUc4PAkX83GF2O.gif)

Of course the sheet metal you ask for would be a listing problem also, as Jeff pointed out.

Luckily you are not an electrical inspector here in MA this is a common way of dealing with panel relocations. Permits, inspections and all.

Bob

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Originally Posted By: jpeck
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jpope wrote:
jpeck wrote:
I'd want to see a piece of sheet metal screwed in place over the opening.


Wouldn't that sheet metal need to be listed as well?


As compared to the unlisted 'air' in the opening? ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif)

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Originally Posted By: tallen
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That J- box needs no screw! You guys are nuts, I would recomend a screw or something , but it is not required.

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Originally Posted By: rmoore
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Code Shmode! (at least in this case)


Personally, I see nothing wrong with using the box as Jeff pictured, but I am concerned about children's wandering fingers when access is as easy as this one looks. So screws, epoxy, a lock, or even duct tape...just as long as the interior is not accessed by simply opening an inviting hinged door.

I'd write it up as a "Safety Concern", explain my concern, and then leave it up to the client.

BTW...is that big metal box still bonded to the grounding system?

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Originally Posted By: bbadger
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jpeck wrote:
As compared to the unlisted 'air' in the opening? ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif)


Jerry what 'air' are you talking about?

Cover closed = no openings.

Sometimes I think you just want to disagree. ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif)

Now if past history holds true you will likely reply with 2000+ words. ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif)

By the way. under the 2002 NEC there is no requirement to close unused breaker spaces.

There was previously and I believe there will be again under the 2005.

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Originally Posted By: Jeff G. Hooper
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This section covers it. 110-17. Guarding of Live Parts (600 Volts, Nominal, or Less).


Still in the code.

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Originally Posted By: Jeff G. Hooper
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Sorry, not 110-17 in 2002.


Try 110-12. Mechanical Execution of Work.
(a) Unused Openings.