Ben no one seems to want to say what is on their mind so I will. There are numerous people in NACHI that have spent thousands on proper cameras and proper training. Your guy has one building science class completed in 2007 making thousands trying to teach something he is not qualifed to do.
Your asking us to give advice about your training. Its easy send John through the numbers until he is qualifed to teach problem solved. I mentioned this to Nick with no results.
Agreed.
You want recommendations Ben…
I recommend you find or create a qualified and competent instructor to create a concise and accurate course. I don’t really care if it is John and I don’t care if he makes money off of it! Just get the proper education before creating the course and teaching it!
This one needs scrapped and started over from the beginning. If you yourself cannot see the inaccuracies and downright wrong information that has been provided in this course that you and InterNACHI are endorsing, then shame on you for pawning this off as any form of education. And shame on John for authoring such misinformation especially if this freebie has any correlation or resemblance to the paid version.
For those still reading along… if you want to start providing infrared services with your home inspections in the most misguided and horribly trained way possible, this is the course (as currently written and recorded) for you! Enjoy and good luck! 
Too bad InterNACHI falls far short of being a leader in infrared.
Well I guess this isn’t a course I am going to take. I want David to teach me.
The burden of proof is upon the accuser. It’s easy to say what about this and what about that, but until solutions are show, then no correction can be made. We all heard this merry go round before from the same few.
BTW… last months class was bigger than ever. Thanks.
John, I watched small portions of the video. In the electrical portion you say that a load is preferred but I didn’t hear what minimum percentage the load should be (there is one) for accurate results. You also state that a thermal anomaly MAY not present if there is not a load. No load = No thermal anomaly period.
You also state something about a “dark” area being moisture with no mention about “bright” or potentially hot water being visible.
If you want a complete analysis of video and other info from any of the educationally advanced people on this forum it would not be free and should not be expected to be.
In that one electrical example a load was needed to reveal the defect. There are many many electrical issues that are not discussed in this brief and free video. Some are revealed by a load and some are not.
Please share ALL the possible electrical issues that could be included. :mrgreen:
In that one area where the dark area is moisture, there is no warm moisture present. But we know many possible examples could be discussed. Please share ALL the possible moisture issues that could be included. :mrgreen:
If someone wants to find fault then let them provide a solution. Since you see yourself as one of the chosen few who are the educationally advanced you should know this. How can a brief and free overview cover all possible defects known to man? Even the unwashed masses know this oh great one.
So far, your free advise has left a lot out.
It looks like the claims of a few will never be submitted for review and thus they will always say no one is listening to them. :roll:
It is always safe to find fault but provide no solution for cross examination… all the while claiming no one will listen.
Yet these same few claim to be the wise among us and are offended that we will not sit at their feet.
It’s pretty amazing that you can find electrical defects using infrared in the absence of any load - please share that image with is and explain the particulars of the exception and how to detect and report it.
John I don’t often get into these arguments against you and want no one to sit at my feet. I know where I want my business to be and how to get it there it as with anything it takes time,money and hard work I care less about your training other than its quality. Why don’t you just go get the training like everyone else or do you consider your self above the level of being trainable. I say again go get some training and live in peace
I’ve seen current flowing through a circuit without anything turned on to draw it. It manifested itself in very low levels but the camera found some defects non the less. Various low levels of current can manifest issues, even without doing anything to create a load, if you know what to look for. (I guess you could call this a micro load if you wanted to).
I was offered Level one for free once, but I turned it down after seeing the outline of the class. I’ve been teaching this same stuff for years. I guess my original teacher was right when he said his BS class covered what you get in Level one. Why do I need more boredom? Why do I need you telling me what to do? Who are you?
The purpose of the thread is to submit information to correct the free iNACHI infrared course. Why do you avoid that? Show us what you got.
If all of us to took the training that was really needed for IR,IAQ,HVAC,ENERGY UPGRADES ect not a single Inspection could be done. I would say that we a generalists in every field. this also includes IR and whether you spent 6 months getting CERTIFIED for doing IR you still would need to learn. Any class in anything is just basic knowledge because your brain can only handle so much information at a time. You also do not retain the info you have learned, so despite getting high marks on an Exam does not mean you will retain that info. So back to John McKenna. At least the info has made Home Inspectors more aware about IR whether it is general information or not. Ben along with InterNachi is giving it for Free. Show me any Association willing to do this and I will learn from them.
I will not pay an Association to train me the fundamentals of IR until it is part of the Standards For Home Inspection. If you want to make I big deal about all this none of us are even Qualified to do IR on Electrical panels because there is non that exists unless you are also a Licensed or Certified Electrician there is no short cut.
5000 hrs+
John, I love how your way of solving issues with criticisms of you and your course is a simple dodge…burden of proof; what are we in a courtroom? You are like trying to have a discussion with a child.
Your points rarely have any validity and after seeing your continued disregard to take constructive criticisms from others and improve your course for the betterment of others and ultimately the industry, I simply feel pity for you and those who perceive you as being anything remotely close to knowledgeable.
The fact you claim, and I say claim with much emphasis, that your course was the largest it has been last month says nothing about your business or course being able to teach what it should to those utilizing IR nor it being successful. The only thing you have proved is that stupid people can be in business if they allude to the fact they are smarter than their peers or their peers are naive to a subject.
It really is too bad that you haven’t just taken the time to learn and collaborate with others who might just be more intelligent then you on a subject you seemingly teach. Others would benefit more and chances are you would making more too.
It also strikes me as odd that an organization like INACHI that claims to be at such a high level in their industry wouldn’t consult with someone that is an expert in a field before creating such a course…maybe an obvious reason why so many great members have left and not returned.
Kevin, I would actually tend to agree with you on many points. It is however not the ability of gaining just general knowledge but ensuring the knowledge that is being taught is accurate.
The free InterNACHI IR class is not intended to prepare someone for doing IR inspections, but only an introduction and brief overview. We all have to start somewhere.
I recommend a person get more intense training before they go out and start doing reports in the real world.
Even if you take Level I but are weak in the electrical background, you still will not be able to do the correct IR scans or understand what your looking at. That applies to all the trades.
In our paid class, I warn people all the time that they may indeed not be qualified to do IR inspections after taking our course, if they are still weak in some areas of construction. This is why InterNACHI requires both construction classes and infrared training to become INFRARED CERTIFIED.
It should be obvious to all that the so called super duper IR inspectors have no interest in using their knowledge to improve the NACHI IR course.
Many here freely share their knowledge on ways to improve the materials that NACHI provides.
But there is a group that has set themselves above the rest and do not consider it there duty to improve NACHI.
Over the years much of NACHI’s training materials have been improved, corrected and added to by members helping other members.
Maybe one of these IR guys that are so good at whining about the current NACHI IR course offerings can tell us why they refuse to help improve the IR course.
I guessing no one will step up.
Please prove me wrong as it will help all of us.
Good Point.
I would love to see real improvements and not just use this as a ploy to mock people. Good post Mike.
Good point Mike.
If this is what you desire get your training and improve it don’t expect someone else to do it for you. Yes I am qualified to say your not qualifed by anyones standards except your own:(
Thanks for proving what I suspected.
Every other area of expertise is freely shared by those in the know in many areas.
We have engineers, AHJs, master electricians, master builders, HVAC techs and many other trades who work to improve NACHI training materials.
It’s unfortunate that some have chosen to whine and complain instead of using their expertise to make NACHI better.
And I am more than qualified to to call them as I see them.:shock: