I have met several Level III thermographers who have no building experience tell me they are not foolish enough to attempt to do a IR building inspection since they have no idea how most of the crap is installed or how to repair it, let alone know how to instruct the client on things they know nothing about.
FLIR and ITC has told me the same thing. A person must know IR and have a good working knowledge of the industry they are working in to do a proper IR service.
Yet you assume that someone with no building knowledge makes a good IR building inspector based on a 32 hour IR class. Wow, I am impressed… :mrgreen:
That would make some killer ads to promote your business. “Hire me because I don’t know anything about a building, but I took an entry level IR class”. I am sure they will be flocking to your door with that type of ad campaign.
Why does Texas even require 448 hours of inspection education to be licensed when they can now just send em to a Level I class? InterNACHI should just shut down all it’s education classes because you found a way to bypass all of it. Amazing.
Still comical… John, you are entitled to your opinion as am I, but I continue to stand by it. You can try and twist my words and interpret it how you may.
I am not saying that I endorse or better yet think that it is a good idea that someone without building knowledge yet with infrared training perform an inspection they are not comfortable with or have knowledge in.
What I am saying is that Level 1 training does provide a home inspector with the knowledge required to perform an “infrared inspection”. And for me personally, I would rather have an individual with little building knowledge and a high level of infrared knowledge perform an infrared conduction inspection than the inverse. If you’re not aware of what a conduction inspection (ASTM C1060-11a) is take the time to look it up and you might actually understand what I am getting at.
If you re-read my post carefully I specifically said that Level 1 teaches someone to perform an infrared inspection with one of the many widely accepted standards, not a home inspection.
Question for you John, why is that so many people with an exceptionally large amount of knowledge and experience in infrared have such an issue with your course and the way you present it? Thanks for the time and entertainment gentleman but I will bow out and let you continue to rationalize your absurdity and ignorance. Best of luck!
I agree that Level I does not teach about home inspections. Regarding the standards you speak of, none of those are standards that any home inspector licensing board, in any state, uses or recognizes. Hmmmm.
Regarding people with opinions, there appears to be the a few on this forum that chime in, but many others with just as much experience do not agree. To each his own… :mrgreen: We will add you to the list of la la la.
Hundreds are running their IR business after taking our IR class and so the proof is in the pudding.
John, John. You are too funny…Categorizing me with the likes of those that have a knowledge above yourself in a field you have only scratched the surface of is not an insult, but that is okay you don’t get it and probably won’t because you seem to push mediocrity rather than trying to raise the bar for yourself and those around you.
Obviously the standards to which I was referring are not a standard that: “are standards that any home inspector licensing board, in any state, uses or recognizes” because they are NOT home inspection standards. Let me put it this way to make it easier for your intelligence level.
What standard exactly are you utilizing or teaching for “infrared home inspections” to these “hundreds” of so called successful people you continue to refer??
No… I was referring to your post about no home inspector knowledge and standards that our industry does not use and your preference for using someone who does not know anything equals the sum total of nothing… :mrgreen:
Yep, that would be the course…but taught by people with the likes of knowledge John will never attain and it isn’t misrepresented in an unethical manner.
John, you are too easy. You can continue to keep referring to the same thing but yet you will not answer the larger question. What is the standard that you are teaching to all of these “successful people” in the “infrared business” that are taking your course for “infrared home inspections”? :mrgreen:
John, those that see beyond the facade understand the reality is that you will continue to defend your course regardless of what other more advanced individuals feel or say about it because you profit from it. This is repeatedly obvious by the manner in which post.
My recent string of posts just displays how easy it is to get you to repetitively respond. At the end of the day the only thing you do is lower the playing field, so in all acutality I should be thanking you because it makes me more profitable when I have to come behind “infrared certified” professionals to give people and businesses the correct information.
While this has been entertaining, I have infrared jobs to attend to. Funny, I ironically have an infrared job this evening and one of the requirements was Level 1. Wonder why that is? LOL :mrgreen:
John, those that see beyond the facade understand the reality is that you will continue to defend your course regardless of what other more advanced individuals feel or say about it /QUOTE
While you may claim to be more advanced, that has not been seen yet. Self promotion or grasping for straws from a few forum posters as your proof does not prove anything.
Have you taken our course? NO
Have you told us what is in error regarding our course? NO
You again have produced a sum total of nothing. Please spare us
I know you may feel like a legend in your own mind, but we in the real world need more substance than just your legend. :mrgreen:
Nope, don’t claim to be a legend nor did I ever say anything to that magnitude, but again nice try John.
“Have you taken our class?” No I haven’t, don’t need to.
“Have you told us what is in error regarding our course?” Yes. Read my earlier post; but to re-iterate you unethically misrepresent your class.
In regards to the standards your teach each of your students or the lack thereof, home inspection standards do not outline how to adeqately use infrared for specific uses which is exactly my point. It is one thing to use infrared to help determine a problem already visible or something you suspect during a HI but as soon as you start to move into the realm of things like scanning the whole building to identify specific items outside of what a normal home inspection is intended for it all changes.
You now can and should use a specific standard to outline exactly what it is you are attempting to do or locate and how you are going to reach that conclusion; like what conditions are required. Your class from what you are saying does non of the above and only ends up hurting the end user and people that are receiving such a service.
Is this really what you are telling home inspectors entering the thermography field?
I strongly recommend Infraspection Institute’s course where the student will be introduced and probably provided with applicable Thermography standards.
Such as:
Standard for Measuring Distance/Target Size Valued for Infrared Imaging Radiometers;
IR Inspection of Building Envelopes;
IR Inspection of Electrical Systems;
Standard for Measuring and Compensating for Emittance using Infrared Imaging Radiometers;
Standard of Infrared Inspections to Detect Pests and Pest Related Damage;
Standard for Measuring and Compensating for Reflected Temperature Using Infrared Imaging Radiometers;
Standard for Infrared Inspection of insulated roofs; and
Others…
I would suggest everyone consider and weigh your choices here. There are standards.
You have no clue…do ya. Otherwise you would have quoted a standard and strengthened your stance. By the way…These are procedural guidelines & standards - not item standards.
