Invasion of Privacy

Originally Posted By: jfunderburk
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for all the inspections he was doing. The client teaches criminal justice and did not like the idea of her address being posted on the internet. She was extremely averse to having her address or other personal information posted on the internet. She called it an invasion of privacy. I think I agree.


Consider this: knock, knock, knock. "Hello little girl. I'm the inspector who was supposed to be here at 1:00 p.m. today. However, I had a change in schedule and wondered if I could start a few hours early." Who is that man? A rapist or worse?

FYI.


Originally Posted By: wdecker
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Great point, Joe.


I too, am a believer (Messianic Jew) and find that being a believer gives me a great means to market and serve at the same time.

Every advertise in the Shepherd's Guide? Great channel.

I also give presentations to Church groups and offer free furnace and water heater safety inspections (especially important in the cold winter months).

I have also done 4 commercial inspections for Churches weeling new digs. I offer a 40% House of Worship discount. Give back, a form of tithing and service.

Hope this helps.


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Will Decker
Decker Home Services
Skokie, IL 60076
wjd@DeckerHomeServices.com

Originally Posted By: rbennett
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I am a member of three churches now


I guess I should sign up for more and maybe an online religious degree

All kidding aside -- In a previous life I supplied services to people and churches of all faiths and had the respect of all

My religious affiliations were unknown to all - same with my political affiliation


rlb


Originally Posted By: jburkeson
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rbennett wrote:
My religious affiliations were unknown to all - same with my political affiliation

rlb


I can understand your stand on religion, as I refuse to trust anyone who wears it on their sleeve, the thinking here is... I may not be born again, but I wasn't born yesterday either. ![icon_wink.gif](upload://ssT9V5t45yjlgXqiFRXL04eXtqw.gif)

As far as politics goes... it is very hard to get around or hide as everything is political.


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Joseph Burkeson, RPI (Hooperette)

?Anyone who has proclaimed violence his method inexorably must choose lying as his principle.?
~ Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Originally Posted By: jwilliams4
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opinions on religion, but ours is not the opinion that counts.


If I were uncomfortable talking about my faith, I would really be uncomfortable--it is definitely something not to be hidden.

My faith is my joy, not my shame.

This will probably bring everyone out of the woodwork--


...but then, maybe it should.


Originally Posted By: bkelly1
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Will, what is the Shepherds Guide?


Our church is in construction of a new facililty which will now be named "The Shepherd's Field" Church.


Originally Posted By: bkelly2
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http://www.shepherdsguide.com/


I believe it’s GODS Yellow Pages Ben icon_smile.gif


Originally Posted By: cmccann
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Don’t even get me started. eusa_pray.gif Talk about great marketing people! Have you seen what they’ve done with the bible? Don’t forget those huge churches popping up everywhere, man oh man. I better go pray for more business, god will help me if it’s his will… eusa_pray.gif


Originally Posted By: rkulla
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Hey guys,


I’m a guy that gets to church when I can. I miss my share… but here’s my facts.


At my uncles funeral this spring, I prayed for my uncle and my father who had passed away a couple years ago. As we left the church to go to the cemetery as soon as we got into the truck my phone was ringing for someone to book an inspection!! Less than 15 minutes!!!

At Easter, I took my mother who has Alzheimer's to church at her nursing home. Same thing, I prayed for her, dad and for my family and for work. We walked out & my phone rang 15 feet out the door.. Thank god I had it on vibrate. He was hoping to get my answering machine & book an inspection.

Christmas eve, I missed a message on my home phone on the 22nd (thanks to my teenager). I missed it by 2 days---2 days. I called & left a message with the gal. Went to Church Christmas evening prayed that she would call and give me a shot.... She called me back at 9:00 Christmas Eve to book it!!!! I'm thinking I'm marketing to the wrong people.. A little more time at church isn't hurting me.. It's going to be in my marketing plan this year.. Maybe I should go every day! ![icon_wink.gif](upload://ssT9V5t45yjlgXqiFRXL04eXtqw.gif) Here's your sign! ![icon_wink.gif](upload://ssT9V5t45yjlgXqiFRXL04eXtqw.gif)


Originally Posted By: jburkeson
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Rex,


I have had similar results, this time of year you can often find me at Tampa Downs prognosticating today's Daily-Double or doling out the combinations for the Pick-3, and wouldn't you know it just when the vision is becoming foucsed... The phone goes off and it's a customer wanting to book an inspection, who would have thunk? ![icon_biggrin.gif](upload://iKNGSw3qcRIEmXySa8gItY6Gczg.gif)


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Joseph Burkeson, RPI (Hooperette)

?Anyone who has proclaimed violence his method inexorably must choose lying as his principle.?
~ Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Originally Posted By: bkelly1
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It’s not about going, it is about the tithing.


Originally Posted By: bkelly1
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Anyone ever heard of a Kerr Fruit Jar?



At the age of fourteen, Alexander Kerr was converted to Christ under the ministry of Evange-list Dwight L. Moody. Some years later, in 1902, Mr. Kerr read the story of Jacob and of his vow found in Genesis 28:22 which says, ??and of all that you give me, I will give you a tenth.? The Scriptures record that twenty years later, Jacob returned to his home with great numbers of servants and cattle. He had become one of the richest men in the East as a result of keeping his covenant of tithing.
Moved by the account, Alexander Kerr made a covenant himself to tithe as had Jacob before him. At that time, Kerr had a mortgage on his house, owed many obligations, and was burdened with a number of worries. However, he was determined to prove God as Jacob had done.
Mr. Kerr often remarked that if modern day skeptics wanted proof that there is a God, that the Bible is His Holy Word, and that its promises are true, all they needed to do is tithe for one year and God would prove to them, without a doubt, that He is, ?. . the same yesterday, today, and forever..? (Hebrews 13: 8 ).
Within three months of beginning to tithe, unexpected and unforeseen blessings started coming his way. With very little money on hand, Kerr organized the firm known as the Kerr Glass Manufacturing Company. It became one of the largest firms selling fruit jars in the United States. His company was headquartered in San Francisco.
Mr. Kerr had put practically every cent he had into his fruit jar enterprise, and then came the 1906 earthquake and fire! His friends came to him and said, "Kerr, you are a ruined man." He replied, "I don't believe it; if I am, then the Bible is not true; I know God will not go back on His promises."
He wired to San Francisco, and received the following reply, "Your factory is in the heart of the fire and undoubtedly is destroyed. The heat is so intense we will be unable to find out anything for some days."
About a week after the earthquake and fire, a second telegram arrived saying, "Everything for a mile and a half on all sides of the factory burned; but your factory is miraculously saved."
Mr. Kerr immediately boarded a train for San Francisco. The factory was a two-story wooden building containing the huge tanks where the glass was melted. The tanks were kept at a temperature of 2500 degrees. Oil was used for fuel. The building was probably the most flammable in San Francisco!
The fire had raged on all sides of the factory, creeping up to the wooden fence surrounding the building and even scorching it; then the flames and fire leaped around and over and beyond the building, burning everything in its path. However, not even the wooden fence was burned, nor the building, and not a single glass jar was cracked by either the earthquake or the fire.
In 1912 Mr. Kerr wrote his first leaflet on the subject of tithing entitled, God's Cure for Poverty. This was followed by another tract entitled, God's Loving Money Rule For Your Financial Prosperity. Every case of fruit jars that left the factory contained one of these leaflets. From
1912 to the time of his death on February 9, 1924, he had freely distributed more than five
million of these


Originally Posted By: jrivera
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wdecker wrote:

Every advertise in the Shepherd's Guide? Great channel.


I was up at Lancaster, PA yesterday at the Millenium Theatre to see the Miracle of the birth of Jesus. Very nice play (so was the Story of Ruth) and I stopped in at a Christian book store and picked up a copy of the Shepards Guide. Interesting.

God Bless, have a great day !!!


Originally Posted By: rbennett
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Joseph


We are on the same page on this one -- I provide a service about a structure. -- My personal views on religion and politics might be offencive to my client so I keep them to my self.

I sometimes advertise with churches. I also support most all political people with donations be they left or right - as long as they know that they should keep me on their list of supporters.

It is about networking -- Religious people are part of the network. - Political people are part of the network You get your name out the best way that you can to as many as possible. It is just good business. Please note that religious people and political people are not necessarily in the same group (information supplied by Mr. Decker) This not to say that political people can't be religious and that religious people can't be political but still are not the same group

Holiday good wishes to all and lets remember that good communication is still our greatest tool to bring peace on earth and good will to all man kind (and women kind too)

rlb


Originally Posted By: wdecker
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Please, lets not just lump together religious people and political people. Two different groups.


Just a point.


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Will Decker
Decker Home Services
Skokie, IL 60076
wjd@DeckerHomeServices.com

Originally Posted By: jburkeson
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wdecker wrote:
Please, lets not just lump together religious people and political people. Two different groups.

Just a point.


Very true, its the political people who keep our great nation free from the dogma that plagues most religions and allows you to believe what you will without fear of persecution and me to live free from religion if I so choose.

Just so you don't think that I am a total Nihilist I do believe in (2) fundamental laws that I try to abide by;

1). If it ain't yours, don't f#&k with it.

2). If you promise to do something, do it to the best of your ability.

Two rules, one do and one don't sorta fulfills the role of both tort and contract law. I sincerely believe that if there is other intelligent life living in this universe they too will be familiar with these two rules, sorta of makes me a citizen of the universe.

Carl Sagan pretty much sums up my position on religion;

"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe."

"It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."

"A celibate clergy is an especially good idea, because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism."

The God Gene



Happy New Year.


--
Joseph Burkeson, RPI (Hooperette)

?Anyone who has proclaimed violence his method inexorably must choose lying as his principle.?
~ Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Originally Posted By: jfunderburk
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Quote:
We are on the same page on this one -- I provide a service about a structure. -- My personal views on religion and politics might be offencive to my client so I keep them to my self.


Jesus said "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations...teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you;" That is the Great Commission. My "service", first and foremost is to the One who saved me. By my faithfulness, He has blessed my business more than I could have ever imagined.

Where would we be if Mathew, Mark, Luke, John, and Paul were worried about offending anyone?

My priorities are: Jesus Christ, family, then work (clients)...in that order. If someone is offended by me letting it be known, in a non-confrontational way, that I am a Christian, then I am sorry for them, for they are doomed without Him. My whole point in letting people know about my faith is so that someone searching for the Lord might ask me about Him and perhaps I can bring them to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. It is NOT a marketing ploy in any way. It is a genuine desire to bring people to Christ.

My whole point of the first post was about the online scheduling, but since everyone picked up on the faith aspect, I felt like stating the above.


Originally Posted By: rbennett
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Joe


Your religion is not a problem from my part. Your faith does not offend me. I do think mine might be offencive to you. So why should I offend by letting you know about my beliefs?? It is not my nature to offend. I would rather get your business based on my reputation and skill. My nature is to respect you and yours. I accept you for what you are.

I guess where I am coming from is no one offends me with their beliefs or lack of. It is their belief. There is room in this world for all people and their beliefs. There seems to be limited room in the next world though. Depending on ones belief.

I am thinking of adding some religious and political wording to some of my advertising -- We are seeing Spanish being added to some business advertising in our area and it is working.

Just good business -- If being of a certain religion or political party brings business then start believing and join up.

Joe - a quick question - You seem to be a person who is a good reader of people so what do you think -- did the client in question come to you because of God and your beliefs or was it because they were born again?

Just my point

rlb


Originally Posted By: wdecker
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Joe;


Allow me to take this thread in a slightly different direction.

What you seem to be speaking against is 'Religion', which is a man made construct that seeks to approach G-d and seek to control Him (HER?). This is best seen in people who:

a) Say 'I am spiritual, but not religious'. These people seek to learn about and control G-d for their own desires and purposes. 'Pray for what you want', etc. This is not what I believe.

b) People who were 'brought up' religious but had parents or Church members or leaders who let them down (or abused them, as is, sadly, common) and learned about sin and hypocricy and brokenness at a early age and are scared and scarred and seek to regain some control of their lives by rejecting religion as 'primitive' (thereby elevating themselves above others and seeking to feel superior), 'old' (rejecting long tradition in search of the latest fad) or 'cruel' ('Look at all those people G-d commanded killed'). This is not what I believe.

I believe in G-d, the Ancient One who pre-existed all I percieve and who Loves me and who wants to have a personal relaitionship with me. A 'loving Father', who like all Fathers delights in their children and wants to see them grow strong, tall and good.

This is the G-d described in ancient texts, commonly known as the Tanack (Old Testement) and the Brit Chadaisha (New Covenant).

Carl Sagan was a frustrated old man who thought that he knew better than anyone else (I have personally met him) and failed to learn the single most important lesson that most of us get in kindergarten. 'I am not the center of the Universe, there are others out there who are worthy of my love and service and sacrifice.'

In other words. Joe, You are free to believe what you want to believe (this is one of the greatest gifts that G-d has given us) and I am as well. Your choice is, first, last and only, your choice, as is mine.

I just hope that, as you make the single biggest choice in your life (and, in a real sense, the ONLY choice in your life) that you choose wisely, with great thought and study and careful study.

As He said, 'Choose Life'.

Hope this helps.


--
Will Decker
Decker Home Services
Skokie, IL 60076
wjd@DeckerHomeServices.com

Originally Posted By: wdecker
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Richard;


You kind of beat me to it.

I believe, as Job said, 'Naked I came into the world and naked I will leave it.' All I have, I received from You (G-d). Blessed is G-d. (Baruch HaShem, in the original Hebrew).

Whatever we receive, we receive from G-d. If I get an inspection, it is a gift from G-d. If I recieve a child, or a new table saw or a Suretest 165 or a loving look from my wife (who, herself, is a gift from G-d) or a pain in my gut from stage 4 stomach cancer or a bite from a dog or anything else, it is a gift from G-d. The question is not whether I like the gift or whether I want it of whether I appriciate it. The only fact is that my Father (in the best and highest sense) gave it to me for a reason and I love and obey and strive to serve Him, to His glory.

Every breath I take is a gift from G-d.