Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
I, like most people, see thru my eyes first. This is my defect. Another message board (I won’t mention any names…inspectionnews.com…oops I mentioned it) makes it a crime to defend attacks on NACHI and a punishable crime (I have been permanently banned) if you are Nick Gromicko and try to defend attacks on NACHI. I always had the option of going on that message board as John Q Inspector and blasting away, but Joe Myers does it for me. AND I LOVE IT. Does Joe go over the top sometimes? Sure, thats why I love him. None of this is really the point since it is only about what I like to see thru my eyes. The point is this: Are visitors of inspectionews harmed or helped by censorship. I think a few smarter gentlemen than I answered that question some time ago and made it the 1st ammendment. I like to know who is posting on this message board, but I like the benefit from hearing from all…more, even when it is something I disagree with (scratch that…ESPECIALLY when it is something I disagree with).
We now have ASHI screwing the entire State of AZ and inspectionnews won't let me on to talk about it (by the way, I have to fly out there to meet State regulators at their request on March 5th). Greg is right, we are nothing like the other guy, right down to this message board where men can battle it out to the death without a ref jumping in and canceling the fight in the first round. Let's keep the ring open even if the fighters want to wear masks.
This is the 4th 180 degree change of opinion on this for me on this issue, sorry.
Originally Posted By: jmyers This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Nick,
I agree. Censorship hurts everyone because it is important to have everyone's opinions and point of view. On inspectionnews.com every time I would make a good point, or successfully defend NACHI the post and/or thread would be deleted.
If you take a look at the "NJREHIA" thread there now under "Insurance, Legal, Advertising/PR" on inspectionnews.com you will see that ASHI members passed some of the most restrictive home inspection legislation anywhere in the state of NJ. Since ASHI national is doing nothing to stop these self serving members and allowing the ASHI name to be attached to it, they are just as guilty in my book.
I don't think I am extreme, just calling it like I see it.
Originally Posted By: gbeaumont This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Hi Guys,
"I may not agree with what you're saying but will defend to the last you're right to say it" (some one smarter than me wrote that)
I cannot stand censorship in most areas and certainly not at all in these forums, however I for one have seen a lot of "debates" end up as personal slanging matches between Ashi & Nachi members, and make non of us look very professional, I realize that the history between these two organizations dictates a certain amount of animosity, and I can quite understand Brian's dislike of hearing it all over again dragged out in the forum that he moderates. Joe I have seen no evidence of the fact that all strings related to or making mention of NACHI having been deleted or closed, in fact the search I just did in the IN BB produced 27 mentions of our organization.
I for one think that Ashi has got too big for their boots and is either promoting or enabling legislation that is not in the best interests of either our industry or its clients. however I think the only way to counter this is for ALL the other organizations to get together,to be able to have as louder voice as they do. I have hung my hat at NACHI because of the support that it has given me. and I do what and where I can to promote NACHI to other HI's but I hope without starting a slanging match which I for one cannot stand to hear again. 
It is the time for us to be above all the bickering for we have much to gain by being a little more reserved in our comments, and showing those who look at us that we are a professional organization. I would rather we proved to be better than any other organization, than got down into the gutter with them to slug it out.
Originally Posted By: jmyers This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Gerry,
There are just some things you can assume I know exactly what I am talking about. This in one of them.
If you go back and do a search on the word NACHI of course you will come up with threads that mention NACHI but you will also notice if you click on some of those links it will take you to a blank page, a final post by Brian, or the inspectionnews.com home page because the thread no longer exists. One in particular that comes to my mind was called "I can't take it any more" or something along that line. If you click on the link that should take you to that thread it will take you to a page that only contains a final post by Brian because that thread was deleted by Brian and it no longer exists.
If you prefer to do a little more work you can click on the thread and do a search on the page. Click Edit, Find (on this page) and type in the word NACHI. I know there is a least one that came up on the site search that contained the word NACHI but when you do a page search you will not find the word NACHI on it. Is what that means is that there was a post there at one time that contained the word NACHI and it is now deleted.
I did not say all the threads were deleted, just the ones were I made valid points or successfully defended the NACHI name.
Originally Posted By: lfranklin This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Hi Guys
It’s me again. I don’t know if anybody else learned from this, but I have.
You might not know but I’ve been watching NACHI for about three years now. Check up every once in a while, then more closely in the past six months.Why? Because their are getting better and better.
I will go back and answer one of the question that was never truthful answered. It was Why do you pose such question? (or something like that)
Well, there was many reasons. But the main reason was since you are growing and will have to make some decision. I was wondering which way you would turn. Left, I still would have no interest in joining. Right, I would still be interested in joining.
I think you turned right. I do think you will listen to anybody (good, bad, smart, or dumb) and then try to reach the best possible decision. I sent my application in yesterday. Where ever approved or disapproved I want to thank each of you.for teaching me so much on this and other boards.
Larry Franklin
PS; May I go back to Larry. Because that is what my friends call me. Others do add and take away from it. But then I know to watch out.
Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Larry:
Welcome aboard. Thanks for joining us.
Gerry:
Brian at inspectionews not only deleted many of my posts but edited others without my permission. He banned me from his board. All of this is O.K. on his board, I guess. Its his board. But I assure you it wasn't because he was sick of the ASHI/NACHI battle. Proof: He agreed to host an online debate between ASHI and NACHI and agreed to allow me to represent NACHI. I was worried he would edit and delete again (cocky guy that I am I assumed that I would win the debate) when I started to win, but I agreed to participate anyway. When ASHI chickened out of the debate, he permitted ASHI's Joe Kelly to give his views anyway and wouldn't let me rebut. Again, its his message board (unlike this mb which belongs to you) so he can do what he wants, but he can't say his actions are a result of being "sick of all the fighting." He lets ASHI pound away on NACHI without gloves while he keeps my hands tied behind my back.
Joe Myers:
Alert me when you're in the ring fighting 10 guys at once on inspectionnews. The old prize fighter can at least help coach.
Nick
PS Pound away ASHI! We're not even blinking. We continue to win on the mb's and the courts. I wine alot about the ref, but does it really matter? We have our own ring now and its a free-for-all. Much more entertaining, no?
Originally Posted By: jmyers This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Nick,
I often wonder why ASHI members put up with this type of behavior from their own members.
If you want unity among home inspectors I think the first step would be to get rid of the self serving individuals in your own membership. That would mean most are no longer going to be able to sit back and watch from the sideline.
I have heard the statement so many times, "why don't you join"? Multipart answer. I do not want to be associated with them because they would foul my reputation. I want to be proud of the association that I belong, if you want to hang your head in shame everytime someone in their membership does this, you join. I will pass. I already have Microsoft Word with spell checker to go over my reports and correct them! They are so big they have no place to go but down, we on the other hand have no place to go but up. I don't want to have to be careful of what I say because someone in the membership has made me afraid I will be blackballed. Nick would never kick me out of NACHI. He would never hurt me or make me afraid he would hurt me or my business.
And the number one reason......because I would miss having lunch with NICK and the boy's at Rocco's.
When I started with Nick, NACHI was a name that was barely recognized. Thanks to the many inspectors that badmouthed us we are now a very recognized name. On top of that I have educated that I am fully compliant with PA law, so it really does not matter what they say, does it?
Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
The whole censorship of anti-ASHI discussion on inspectionnews might have to do with the fact that Brian sells advertising and works for ASHI. Another argument for not having our nice clean message board polluted with banner ads.
Nick
PS I'm not an attorney but when Brian deletes or edits other peoples posts to weaken their argument...isn't that a form of slander? Certainly if I said (publicly) that you profess something you don't,...that would be slander. I guess it is, but I don't see the damages.
I changed Mike H's tag line to "Our Team, Lost Fight!" hee hee.
Originally Posted By: Robert Patterson This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
I have to kind of disagree. I’ve probably missied some, somewhere along the line, but other than one infamous blow-out, I haven’t seen any deletions by Brian. I myself have made some disparaging remarks about ASHI at Inspectnews and as far as I know, they are still there. I view the inspectnews as a place that all inpsectors of different orgs can interact, although it is heavily ASHI favored. Although you’re seeing more of NACHI now days.
Originally Posted By: jmyers This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Bob,
I can verify that as being 100% true, just don't ask me to prove it! 
Really though, if you go there and do a search on NACHI you will find that most some of the threads no long exist if you click on the link. One in particular that comes to my mind was the "I couldn't take it any more" or something along that line.
Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Nope. Can’t. So much for inspectionews.
Anyway, the "Couldn't take it anymore" thread on inspectionews was my fault. I helped a new inspector in FL. He got in some trouble with the seller and real estate agents. Big PR stink. I wrote a couple 2-page letters on his behalf and in 1 day, we turned the whole thing around and had everyone thanking him and all happy.
The inspector was so thrilled with what I did, he asked me if he could do something in return. Me, being the BIG DUMMY that I am, told him to go on inspectionews and describe his experience honestly. Unfortunately it was his first post and everyone attacked him.
I presented a statement on behalf of this inspector, to Brian, and asked him to post it for me (at the time, he wouldn't let me post directly). The statement was in defense of the poor guy, just saying that I made a mistake putting him up to it, but that what the poor fella was saying was factually true.
Anyway, Commi Brian refused and let the guy get slaughtered. The other unsolicited pro-NACHI posts that came to his defense ( I was alerted and got to watch the whole thread) were mysteriously deleted (just like Joe Farsetta experienced recently) as the thread continued. Not much of a free interaction.
Nick
PS I felt horribe. I learned my lesson then, and now I don't ever ask anyone to tell the truth on inspectionews. Speaking the truth on inspectionews is a lot like speaking the truth in communist China...Big Mistake. Stick to non-controversial subjects like the weather when you visit inspectionews or North Korea.
PSS The poor fella I stupidly sent on inpectionews was and still is a NACHI member. (if you read this, I apologize again).
Originally Posted By: Robert Patterson This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Ok, I’m going to crawl thru this one with a probing knife in front of me. I just did a search on the other forum and found quite a few NACHI references, to include some by Nick. Now I know of one thread that got deleted and I had to agree with Brian because the language and professionalism was extremely poor. But, as I said there may be others that I don’t recall. I know that so far he hasn’t tampered with any of my posts and I have been unkind to ASHI. I will also state that he is pro-ASHI, but it is his board.
I am going to start paying more attention to see if it is going on.
Originally Posted By: Nick Gromicko This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Bob:
Your'e right about the language. Chris was smart to install a nasty-word filter on this board. I'm probably the main reason he did it. I'd hate to inspect that filter. Probably needs to be replaced by now. I'm trying to show a little more class with age, but who are we kidding? Once a concrete footer former, always one.
I will say that during my experience in the Army and as a former home builder, I found it difficult to get tired men to respond to gently delivered orders. With regard to professionalism, Brian is justified in maintaining a minimum level (which I admit I can't reach sometimes).
Nick
PS It's the pro-NACHI stuff not the anti-ASHI stuff that vanishes on inspectionews. Try posting something honest and nice about NACHI and you'll see what I mean. (NO, STRIKE THAT. I said I would never ask anyone to do that again).
Originally Posted By: jfarsetta This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Nick,
Some nice stuff about NACHI is definitely sneaking in now and again. It also seems to stay there. Brian locked the start of an NIE thread two weeks ago, after I bashed the guy who started it. Actually, Brian was right in doing so. I actually saw it as helping the validity of the NIE, rather than giving NACHI bashers the opportunity to hammer us.
Actually, I think that either Bob Patterson or I actually got the last word, after I challenged the test's detractor to help make it better or shut-up.
Maybe Brian is lightening up a bit... Who knows... Even NACHI's BB is getting some occasional good press. This doesnt count the private e-mails I send to interested parties about our org.