missing nuetral on 220 line

Originally Posted By: jcrandall
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This has come up several times recently. 2 line + ground romex being used for a 220 line. They use the black and white as each of the hot legs… does not appear to have any neutral line.


Is there any appliance or acceptable situation that would not require a neutral line?

What is the risk/hazard of having no neutral or using the ground line as the neutral (depending on how they have wired it)?


Originally Posted By: bbadger
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jcrandall wrote:

Is there any appliance or acceptable situation that would not require a neutral line?


Sure, 240 volt baseboard heat, a 240 volt electric water heater, 240 volt HVAC units could be anything.

If the units tag says 240 volt then no neutral is required.

If the tag says 240/120 volt then the appliance uses both 240 and 120 volts like an electric dryer or range.

jcrandall wrote:
What is the risk/hazard of having no neutral or using the ground line as the neutral (depending on how they have wired it)?


There is no risk of not having a neutral at appliance that does not need it.

The hazard of not having a proper grounding means is very real, unless the appliance is UL listed as double insulated it needs a grounding means.


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Originally Posted By: Joey D’Adamo
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To understand this, you need to look at how household power works. There are three wires that enter the house from the service. Two hot conductors and the neutral. The neutral comes from the centre tap of a transformer. The result being that the voltage from either hot to neutral is ~120v. Now, the missing peice of the puzzle, is that the other two conductors come from each end of the transformer winding. The result is that there is ~240v between them.


Try it. Stick a multimeter between both hots at a panel, and you should read 240v. So if all that the appliance requires is 240v, then you're fine with only the two conductors, plus the chassis ground.


Originally Posted By: phinsperger
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bbadger wrote:
240 volt baseboard heat, a 240 volt electric water heater, 240 volt HVAC units.


Also include:

Well pumps - Many can be switched to work on 120 or 220 but unlike the dryer or range not both

Shop equipment - Air compressors, welders, any thing with a large motor. Some are 120 and some are 220.

Pool/Sauna - heat elements and/or pumps

Hey Joey, What happened to you 120/220 sketch? ![icon_biggrin.gif](upload://iKNGSw3qcRIEmXySa8gItY6Gczg.gif)


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Originally Posted By: Joey D’Adamo
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phinsperger wrote:
Hey Joey, What happened to you 120/220 sketch? ![icon_biggrin.gif](upload://iKNGSw3qcRIEmXySa8gItY6Gczg.gif)


Hahaha that's a horrible sketch, but alas I have it: