Exactly my point. Licensing and certification provide instant credentials that assume one is qualified based on flimsy standards.
When have I endorsed any organization’s certification, especially after I have stated numerous times that they all basically require the same.
I figured what is the point in ignoring you when everyone else continues to feed you the attention you crave.](*,)
It can’t hurt now can it?
The NHIE makes the NACHI test look like it was made for housewives? (sp)
Nick can talk all he wants about the “easy” questions that most people miss, but the truth is that the NHIE is a MUCH harder test and requires some knowledge to pass were as My wife made a 87 on the online NACHI test and has no clue.
Whatever Nick , look her up “K villamin” and no, I did not help her. LOL
The sad thing is, is that Gerry B. has a test that is better and harder than the NHIE, but for reasons unknown they will not post it.
I am affraid that if Gerrys test was required we( LOL) would have a lot less members.
Nick:
"Does a driver’s license insure that the holder will be in utter compliance with the laws of the road?"
So Nick, you don’t want us to have driver’s licenses either…huh??
What other licenses or trade certificates do you think are extraneous and should be dropped to bring the cost of gov’t down and let freedom rule totally? Funeral directors and embalmers? AW!!! When we’re dead anyway, who cares what’s done with us. Like that guy in the southeast who was storing bodies out back in sheds a few years ago. Let’s unlicense them…oh…and the doctors who provide a lot of bodies to the now unlicensed funeral trade. Nick…you should run for president since you will reduce all the gov’t red tape and give freedom back to the poor indentured US citizen!
It’s been mentioned here a number of times that 70+% of new home inspectors fail. Will licensing make that worse or will shutting down the puppy mills that turned out thousands of newbie HI’s with an unrecognized certificate and promises of making $100 grand a year…like taking candy from babies!! Remember…If it sounds to good to be true, it probably is.
That’s how I feel about licensing Brian;-)
Lot’s of promises, no little or no delivery.
Not sure where your going with this ?
Before I was marketed as a “certified” inspector by ASHI I completed over 300 inspections, and will be the 1st to admit many of my first 300 inspections did not meet ASHIs SOP.
Fortunately, many of those customers sold their homes many of them hired me again] and the new buyers inspectors either did not catch what I missed, or I was fortunate to not miss anything major.
Regardless of org affiliation, and over 2000 completed inspections, we all know a phone call tormorrow could change this.
The major thing ASHI ASHI new and vetern members, and mentorning by HI veterns offered locally for all new ASHI members ] has done for me is provide top notch CE, locally, and nationally, which helps me get the knowledge to provide my customers an inspection better than my first ones.
Just reminding people here that the first 250 inspections or more can be done without any training, test or other supervision. Just send a check and you can tell people your a member of AS**
If you believe that, Why do you pay an individual that offers instant credentials to market inspectors as “certified inspectors” with no verified standards required?:roll: :roll: :roll:
When you send your check to an org that “certifies” home inspectors with no verificiation of membership requirements.:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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You my friend are such a rube. No offence.
I joined NACHI by passing an online test and sending 289 to Nick… End of story.
I can geurentee you taht less than 5% of the roster has filed the supposed reports that NACHI says it needs, if they did who the hell would read them??
I have no love for ASHI am I am in no way affiliated with them, but to tell you the truth and everyone knows it, to be a full member of ASHI takes a hell of alot more work and knowledge then it does to be a member of NACHI.
NACHI has a lot going for it, but the truth is that the complete lack of a real ESOP and the fact that it is a dictatorship run by Nick Gromicko makes the whole Org. look like an HBO special.
And the point is?:roll: :roll:
There are 1000s of nachi “certified inspectors” that claim/ tell people on their websites, that never sent a dime to ASHI ] they meet ASHIs SOP that never completed an inspecton or attended HI training…:roll: :roll: :roll:
Licensing and certification provide instant credentials that assume one is qualified based on flimsy standards.
Nick:
If you saw most of my posts, in a few of them, I claim that the existing standards are quite a bit too low. If anyone who barely passed their college exams were allowed into medical school, what kind of medicine would we have. Only the top of the class go onward there! Should everyone that barely passes go on??
Set some standards that will raise the image of this profession, not lower it. When I tell people that you can get an HI designation online with no proctored exams nor field testing nor minimum # of mentored/monitored inspections or that the profession is essentially ungoverned, they look at me in total disbelief. Try it some time; see their reaction!
Licensing and certification, if set up properly, will not provide “instant credentials”. Look at licensed trades…they put their time in, usually pay to go trade schools and still it takes from 2-4 years here for oil burner mechanics, gasfitters, masons, electricians, plumbers to get their diplomas/certificates. At one time, these were unlicensed but now all are! I feel that the many that have gotten their certification almost instantly fear they will really have to go through the paces and make the grade.
True story: May/05- I’m doing an inspection on some run down duplexes that had come to market due to retirement of the landlord. At the beginning of the inspection, the gent of the couple seems to know a bit about housing, so I ask him what he does. He’s in training to be a certified residential appraiser. I know the limits of their housing technical training as I’d been hired twice to present part of it (plumbing, heating/cooling, electrical, energy efficiency, air quality and building science- all in 2 days). So I thought I knew the limits of his knowledge until about 25-30 minutes into the inspection, he says “You know I’m a certified home inspector”. What???
He tells me about NACHI, which I’d never heard of before. I’m a bit incredulous! He says that he’s glad he hired me to inspect these older units as “I’ve learned a hell of a lot since I’ve been here!”
Now Todd, why would anyone take any offense from something you said.
No one of has to belong to an org and many have chosen not too and some have been removed from NACHI for bad behavior.
But for Dan to claim that somehow AS** is superior to NACHI when it comes to joining requirements is just plain goofy.
If pointing out that fact makes me a rube so be it.
As do many with no membership in any org. What’s your point Dan?
Yes, you pointed out the facts , but you kinda twisted them a little bit.
It matters not though as long as all know that there is no need to belong… **just do your damn job and do it well **and you will prosper.
Michael… " Insert the head banging against a wall here" :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
I have NEVER stated ASHIs requirements to join was superior over NACHI.
I have always stated that ASHI is superior over NACHI when it comes to verifing HI qualificiations prior to marketing inspectors as “CERTIFIED” to the public.:roll:
But your constant bashing of NACHI requirements tend to infer as much to the often unknowing masses.
Since when did I advocate deregulation of other trades? I brought up driver licenses to debunk the myth that licenses insure that one is competant enough to perform the function in which the government approves them for. Countless licensed drivers get caught blatantly breaking the driving laws and many cause accidents out of sheer stupidity. Do a web search on home inspector litigation and you will see the same- idiots who are licensed getting sued for doing flatout stupid or crooked things, things that also happen in unlicensed states.
Currently, licensing ***encourages ***the diploma mills. I see it going on in my state. I believe there is a statistic that the number of inspectors in a state triples with licensing…
I do. That is how I win booking over the clown that glorifies his $57 license and $325 certification as his qualifications.
As I have said in a previous post, I would support licensing or certification that actually was this. But as of now, such do not exist. And I do not see how it will happen when A$HI, AHIT and the realtors are bastardizing the process with their "pro-diploma mill, pro-realtor control, anti-consumer awareness home inspection bills that give the public a false sense of security.
An apples to oranges comparison. I imagine the reason why these trades have such elaborate licensing/ certification programs is because they have employers and unions to facilitate this process.
Proves my point about the current state of licensing/ certification.
I hate to say it Todd- I wholeheartedly agree with you.
It is still a multiple choice test which allows you to get a substantial amount of answers wrong and it does not test many skills absolutely crucial to a good home inspection:
How does your ability to answer 71 percent of the multiple choice questions make you qualified, whether it is proctored or not, whether it is cupcake or difficult?
More supporting evidence for my assertion.
That is the REAL role of our associations- providing the TOOLS to become a qualified home inspector.
Going along with that logic, you are a terrorism supporter for buying gasoline and you are a proponent of outsourcing US jobs by buying products manufactured in foriegn countries.
This is like saying a kick in the butt feels better than a kick to the groin.
I see and agree, what it all comes down to is your ability to find the defects and report them. However, the NHIE is a much harder test and the fact is that 60% of those that take it must do it again and again before passing is it’s claim to fame… I know you will say that it is the same with the NACHI test, but the difference is is that the folks that take the NHIE have been studiing to take it and still fail were as the NACHI test is taken by any one who happenes upon it while searching the internet.
There is a difference… Do you see it?
After reading all your replys to me, Brian and Todd, the way you attempt to make it look like you know what your talking about, and twist things to your and Nicks agenda, I’m now sure your Nickey Jr. Nicks son. :roll: :roll: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: