Honestly don’t know. I visited once when it first began and he seemed to be the one making the rules. That Mozart guy from FL seemed mouthy as well. With those two saying a bunch of nothing and their a-s-s-e-s high up each others butts, there was nothing worthwhile to see.
Jonas I see you are one of the visitors at our new website inspectorsunite.com
Heres a little something for your endless nothing memory bank. You ridiculed our abilities and our intentions and then our resolve so I’m not surprised at your constant Innuendos that your superior knowledge about anything is the final word about, what was that again, professionalism. You taking yourself a bit too seriously there fella is about all I see. Perhaps you should write a book and dedicate it to your past life where at one time you showed more class. I’m sure a couple of your “azz buddies” here will be all in!
Does anyone use the Flir C2? If so, what are you’re thoughts?
Thanks in advance!
It’s perfect for those not concerned with being competent when being paid to perform a professional service.
That depends on what professional service you are providing.
It’s WAY MORE than is required to perform a home inspection as IR cameras aren’t required at all to meet the SOP of a general home inspection. The naked eye is all that is required to do a perfectly good home inspection. This camera provides more information than that.
And that information can and will lead you to make an incorrect diagnosis if not properly performed and interpreted in accordance with thermography practices.
Here is an example of this:
The C2 is a “personal” IR device (as categorized by Flir).
Great for finding your dog at night.
If you offer your service as a home inspector only, then any IR camera can be used. Just don’t let you client make the mistake of thinking your offering a professional level thermal imaging service. When I say that “any IR camera can be used” by non-thermographers, be mindful that you can still miss things and be 50% blind and not know it (because your using a non-professional level camera and / or training).
If you wish to tell your clients that you are offering a “thermal imaging” service, then they expect a professional level camera and someone who is trained. People have a right to expect more when they are told they are getting more (and they are paying for it).
InterNACHI has posted the standards of practice issued by Infraspection, which happen to match the same standards as RESNET. They specifies an IR camera should be at least 120x120 resolution and have an mk rating of below 100. Get some training before you buy an IR camera.
InterNACHI sells a lot of flashlights, but not all of them work at the same level. It is your job to find out which one fits your needs.
Be willing to listen to advise that hurts when you hear it.
An inspector may go beyond the standard of practice, but they are expected to be competent in the service that they provide when doing so. I wouldn’t attempt to perform a foundation elevation survey using a torpedo level either, even though it would be “WAY MORE than is required to do a home inspection”. Both actions indicate incompetence.
A level is a perfect analogy. A level is not required to perform a home inspection either, so even a torpedo level is better than the naked eye on a home inspection. I actually use a $4 torpedo level on my inspections to check to see if posts are plumb.
Thanks Chuck. Good analogy.
If an inspector declared the foundation was out of level and was low in the north corner, you might expose yourself to some real credibility issues if you revealed your findings were based on the use of a torpedo level.
Verifying if a post was out of plumb would be a lot less of an issue … IMHO.
Using any tool beyond it’s intended purpose is not wise, including IR. With a low resolution infrared camera, the inspector exposes himself to being blind to some issues and not knowing it. If an inspector uses a low resolution IR camera on an inspection, it would be good to keep it a secret. I hate to say that, but telling your client you did a thermographic scan might set in motion some liability issues the inspector did not anticipate.
You ignored half of the analogy and pretended it wasn’t there - that’s disingenuous. It was a completely Bullshiit response. If you’re saying that the FLIR C2 is OK to use for checking to make sure warm air is coming out of the register when the heat is on and nothing more, I would agree. But then that can be accomplished with a $15 point radiometer just as effectively and much less expensively.
An inspector using a C2 doesn’t meet the standard of care necessary for thermographic building inspection any more than the inspector using a torpedo level to assess foundation levelness - Both demonstrate incompetence.
I think that goes without saying. But we’re not full thermographic building inspections, or assessing large foundations, or analyzing moon rocks from the planet pluto.
Your analogy of a C2 being useful on a general home inspection just like a $4 torpedo level might be useful on a general home inspection… is brilliant. I’m going to use that analogy from now on.
Remember, neither an IR camera nor a level are required to do a home inspection. No association or state or provincial SOP requires anything more than the naked eye. So there is nothing wrong with having either on a general home inspection and you’ll find both tools somewhat useful at times.
Spin it however you like. It’s a well developed talent of yours. He better keep it secret and not make erroneous assessments or advertise thermal scans, thermal inspections or thermography to the public, because when his client gets him in court, there are plenty of competent thermographers who will demonstrate his gross incompetence to the judge or jury.
Got you beat Nick.
I go beyond SOP and roll a glass marble on floors and window sills at a cost of 10 cents.
These guys several ] all graduated from the Joe Tedesco school of Electric and feel we need to be qualified to do industrial IR at Nuclear plants or stay the hell out of their money making machine.
Now please stop selling tools under $10,000 to guys not qualified to see if a red spot is hot without tons of expensive training.
Is that a Level III marble Bob?
Hey Windbag. You’re the poster child for incompetence with using a deficient thermal imager. All anyone has to do is look at your post about a shower gasket leak.
Since neither the cheapest IR camera nor the most expensive IR camera are required to do a home inspection by any association or government agency… both are better than neither.
But yes, especially with IR cameras, generally the more you spend… the better the camera.
Why do these same several guys not stalk all the other threads and cry about guys using three light testers instead of Sure tests or cheap moisture meters ?
The only single opinion that they all have in common is that they all consider you to be a buffoon.
I do, but no one (like you) pays any attention and post the same stupid questions day after day…
Again; a thermal camera does not detect moisture, neither does a moisture meter…
Yesterday I came across this in a bathroom ceiling. Went up to the attic and found nothing.
Moisture meter registered nothing.
Intrusive inspection required. Four potential sources to be further evaluated.
Thermal anomaly did not show up until I manipulated the environment concerning another issue (shower pan).