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Anyway, back to all the mini-associations in Canada. Here is why InterNACHI offers so much more than other associations around the world, IMHO:

When a member sends us $289, we honor it. We recognize that $289 is a lot of money and that the member had to work hard to get it. We try to use it wisely to help our members and we never waste any of it.

The perplexing question for me has never been “How does InterNACHI provide so much for so little?” The perplexing question for me is "Why can’t other associations provide as much as InterNACHI does?

I quit looking in the rear view mirror years ago, but I would honestly be pleased if InterNACHI had a little serious competition in the inspection association race.

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That was mean Nick…and you have a major point there. As if being an “associate member” wasn’t enough to make a potential client move on to the next guy.

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Nick they are all in Ontario. Not CANADA!

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Maybe their all being formed by the same guy, from his Mom’s basement, where he lives. LOL!

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MORE S&M…$289 was a lot of money about 60 years ago…today, it is not even the cost of a single home inspection. I’m beginning to weep over that statement!!..Oh! I hear violins!!!

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The canadian tug of war will go on! A MARI USQUE AD MARE. Each canadian province has its own Real Estate board and their own agenda. Meanwhile thanks to Nick, NACHI has moved on and continues to offer the best return for all its members so that they can provide professionnal services in both Canadian official languages English and French.
NACHI is my choice, my family, c’est mon choix, ma famille!
Beauchemin,Marc-Andre, Brossard,Quebec,Canada

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[FONT=Times New Roman][size=3]The exam is a joke. I just did the example questions and the answers as far as I am concerned are a joke!
Apparently this exam is a joke amongst inspectors.

Question 2. I think a pin hole in the heat exchanger is important!!! It is not least important!
Question 5. I think A is correct as well and of course its not going to detect multiple wire problems!
Question 6. Bulging plaster is an installation defect, not a potential safety issue! If anything its A and D!
How do you challenge questions like this if you can have multiple answers?

On 10-12-14 8:06 AM, wrote:
CAHPI moves forward with a National Exam

As part of the continuing process for seeking third party accreditation of our certification programs, the CAHPI National Steering Committee met with representatives from the Examination Board of Professional Home Inspectors.

(EBPHI) and has reached an agreement in principle for the adoption of the National Home Inspector Exam (NHIE) in Canada.

The NHIE exam is a scientifically developed, rigorous and defensible examination of the knowledge required for the home inspection occupation. Adoption of the NHIE puts CAHPI at the forefront of professional home inspector certification in Canada.

This is another step in CAHPI’s ongoing commitment toward third party accreditation of our certification programs against recognized national and international standards. CAHPI began the process of improving and professionalizing the industry over a decade ago; this is the*** right*** thing to do.

To read the article in ‘pdf’ format, please click on the link CAHPI National Update.

For further information contact Bill Sutherland at president@cahpi.ca.

Sincerely,

Bill Sutherland, RHI
President, CAHPI National

12/14/2010 11:39:49 AM
CAHPI starting to make headway
Bob Johnston

WhoopdieDo…the “exam” is a 200-question, multiple-choice, NACHI-style online affair with a 4-hour time allowance. My “Communication and Professional Practice” students actually have to compose and write responses that are not only correct but make sense…just like a home inspection report must do.

This is a step forward?

Bob Johnston, NCH, RHI, PHPI, ACI

12/14/2010 7:27:29 PM
CAHPI starting to make headway
Kirk Iredale

Bob, It is not an online exam.
It is a requirement to be accredited by ICE though, so I expect NHICC will be adopting it also.

Sometimes the only way forward is to look back.

Kirk Iredale, RHI

12/14/2010 8:37:38 PM
CAHPI starting to make headway
Kirk:

Just a small correction. The NHIE exam is NOT a requirement for ICE, and the NHICC has no intention of adopting the NHIS exam. It is badly flawed and not nearly appropriate for the Canadian National Occupational Standards.

ICE will require testing, but it does not specify one particular exam or another…and there are many others.

By the way, I am pleased to see that OAHI plans to blend their requirements closer to the NOS. That will make it easier for OAHI members to become National Certificate Holders through the NHICC.

Bill Mullen
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Isn’t it unfortunate that they have had to go to an American accreditation mill to avoid the Can P-9 process and now have adopted an American home inspection exam. Now don’t get me wrong. I have nothing against our American brothers but couldn’t they have used a Canadian exam for Canadian Inspectors?

The ALLIANCE of CANADIAN HOME INSPECTORS is an all Canadian organization, run by Canadians for Canadians.

JOIN US AT:
http://www.theachi.org

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So I guess that any group other than ACHI and including INACHI are “mills” in your esteemed opinion…Interesting!!

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Brian If your favorite Group had not told all they where almost CAN P9 and would be soon approved this would never had come up .
This group has bragged for about 6 years and still are a secret Cult like group .
You have complained about many others but said nothing about them and their methods .
Did Not your leader a few years ago use some one else’s name and pass word to post on the NACHI site .
Has not your leader over the years called many others a liar .
Strange how you have said nothing about that but say much about NACHI .
NACHI who has done more for this industry then all other association combined .
Brain Your tunnel vision continues to show how biased you are
Why do you condone the wrong doing of your leader and attack NACHI and its members .

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Brian

You want to be seen as intelligent, but yet you nor any of your peers involved with National Certification can provide answers to these very simple questions. And given the lack of information in this study it appears that someone has falsified facts to gain validation of a program that has been promoted as above board.

HOW MANY INSPECTORS ARE THERE IN CANADA?
HOW MANY INSPECTIONS ARE COMPLETED / YEAR?
HOW MANY OF THOSE INSPECTIONS LEAD TO MINOR / MAJOR CLIENT COMPLAINTS?

Perhaps you can explain the findings of this document located here.

http://raymondwand.ca/investigatingclaimsagainsthomepropertyinspectors.pdf

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Well, Raymond. Long time no see on these boards; (4/23/2008 ) approaching 2 years!! You and Unca Nick been having some late night phone calls. Did you have to promise to be good like Roy? Why are you posting under Wand Raymond…is your regular name permanently banned?

Or…is someone assuming an identity that appears to be Raymond Wand?

BTW… The bottom 7 messages on my public profile ( http://www.nachi.org/forum/users/brian-a-macneish/ ), although under different aliases, were from RAYMOND WAND as he was being removed from these boards…notice that the names have been cancelled, including the name of a good friend of Nick’s, Peter Tafeen, (mentioned in another thread within the past 2-3 days) that was used by RAYMOND WAND!!

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** Brian how about answering this post .**

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Brian,

With regard to why I am back, quite frankly and to put it in simple terms you can comprehend; its none of your business.

Please do not spin, spin, spin questions which you are unwilling to provide.

HOW MANY INSPECTORS ARE THERE IN CANADA?
HOW MANY INSPECTIONS ARE COMPLETED / YEAR?
HOW MANY OF THOSE INSPECTIONS LEAD TO MINOR / MAJOR CLIENT COMPLAINTS?

Perhaps you can explain the findings of this document located here.

http://raymondwand.ca/investigatingc…inspectors.pdf

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Brian I would also like to have answers which I and others find very troubling.

  1. Why is the president of PHPIC also owner/president of a home inspector mill?
  2. Why is a director who pleaded guilty to defrauding a school board of $300,000.00 serving as a director of PHPIC?
  3. Why is the Chairman of NHICC also owner/president of a home inspection supply company?

Why is the data used to compile stats for the National program statistically incorrect? It can hardly be seen as empirical significant?

HOW MANY INSPECTORS ARE THERE IN CANADA?
HOW MANY INSPECTIONS ARE COMPLETED / YEAR?
HOW MANY OF THOSE INSPECTIONS LEAD TO MINOR / MAJOR CLIENT COMPLAINTS?

Perhaps you can explain the findings of this document located here.

http://raymondwand.ca/investigatingc…inspectors.pdf

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I feel that this industry has a few items that need to be improved. It began and evolved without any real structure, direction and regulation…and now…anybody with a credit card, net-linked computer and at least 1 finger to type with can easily become a “certified” (or not certified inspector…Nick still needs to answer that question) home inspector overnight…that’s not progress!!!

If Nick needs to keep a free and open door to suck in wannabee’s and keep the $$$$$ flowing, then I’ll be here…and he’ll appreciate all the hits…they help him sell…isn’t that what this place all about? Lots of newbies, spending lots of $$$!! Oh! …and a few others with $$$$ interests to accept the newbies’ $$$$$.

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Brian’s spin:

2010 NHICC FEE* STRUCTURE

The NHICC Fee structure is based on providing a sensible, equitable and fair conduct for all home inspectors. It does not differentiate between affiliated or non-affiliated inspectors, association membership or lack thereof, thus significantly penalizing an applicant. There are 2 base rates. An inspector is a member of an association with an “Administrative Contract” or those inspectors without. The “Administrative Contract” provides a reduced administration rate for home inspection members that have achieved such formal acknowledgment with the National Home Inspector Certification Council.

Administrative Contract – refers to a specific home inspection association and its members that are currently recognized under the “Contract” of the National Certification Program. Administrative Contracts must be renewed annually to remain in effect. All administrative contracts are based on terms set by the NHICC. 30 day notices for cancellation applies in cases of default or removal of the contract. Administrative contracts are issued to home inspection associations that can provide verification audit of administrative assurance by our independent consultant. The process validates a high performance level criterion for the certification standard of Can-P-9 or the Institute of Credentialing Excellence. Approximate consultant fee varies depending on the entirety of the application ($800 - $1000).

The “certification and accreditation” attestation is decided by two distinct “committees” representing independent home inspectors along with advisors to assure fairness and accountability in the certification and accreditation process. The certification and accreditation recommendation is forwarded to the NHICC – National Certification Council for review and ratification.

BASE FEE FOR APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATION

  1. New application with Administrative Contract: includes background review + one TIPR = $500*

  2. New application w/o Administrative Contract: includes background review + one TIPR = $550*

  3. Provisional fee: applies only to those approved candidates awaiting a TIPR prior to CAHPI program cancellation = $350* + 13% HST. Note this fee expires December 1, 2010 + admin/review fee waived. All applications after December 1st fee #1 or 2 above applies.

Annual Maintenance Fee 1

  1. Transfer Fee for current NCH 2010 to June 30, 2011 = $100 (1 year renewal fee) 2

  2. Transfer Fee for current NCH 2011 to June 30, 2012 = $175 (2 year renewal fee) 2

National Exam 3 (applies to all new applications after November 1st, 2010) 1) Exam Fee $50* 2) Exam Retake Fee $35*

Test Inspection Fee (currently $350 included in application/certification fee) 1) Appeal Fee TIPR (re: TIPR) = $200* 2) Retake Fee TIPR = $250*

  1. Rescheduling a TIPR without appropriate (7 day prior) notice = $150*

Inspection Report Review Fee

  1. 2 Reports Review = $35*

Accreditation (Home Inspector Education Courses & Programs)

  1. Initial application fee = to be announced 2) Accreditation annual renewal fee = to be announced

Note: * Applicable taxes must be added to all of the fees (13% HST applied) 1 Applies only to current National Certificate Holders 2 Continuing Education Credits are waived until July 1st, 2011 3 Applies only to all new applicants after July 1st, 2010

Cha ching, cha ching $$$ Spin this one Brian!

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Beauchemin,Marc-Andre,
As I enjoy this post, I enjoy inspecting and a little OACIQ Quebec brokeraging in Brossard, Quebec, Canada.
A MARI USQUE AD MARE it is supposed to be but “borders” in Canada are harder to cross within that they are when it comes to Canada-USA free trade!
Why is that?
I must share this with others, I do not like what is going on with the inspection business in Canada and this includes the federally funded NHICC program.
Any professionnal can be a Home inspector with many Canadian associations with the exception of Real Estate Brokers according to PHPIC. Dinausaurs are of the past!
What is PHPIC affraid of anyways!
THe OACIQ of Quebec has a disciplinary board and if I were in a conflict of interest, as they very well know and approve that I can do both, I’d have some explaining to do! Don’t you think?
In 2010 I applied and joined PHPIO which had Ontario jurisdiction, the application denied brokerage participation for Ontario (juridiction). Of course there was no problem in inspecting in Ontario as my brokerage License from Quebec applied only in Quebec and not in Ontario. I waited and waited for my tIPR which was denied on the grounds that NACHI education did not count! From what I was led to discover, there seems to be flagrant conflict of interest at the moment with PHPIC and the NHICC program.
When I brought up the fact that PHPIC were being discriminative to the cordial administrative body who emailed me, I got a reply that the discrimination section in the Canadian charter did not include Real Estate Brokers.
I find that the NHICC fees, if correct as mentionned above, are outrageous especially for an unregulated inspection trade and especially because the program is sponsored by the Federal Government.
I have earned a Political Science Under Graduate Diploma from Concordia University, I started inspecting in 1988 as I was a Quebec bailiff and was untill 2005,(Sherif).
At that time, I was trained and was called upon to inspect, provide a written report and testify in court on the findings.
To give an example of the way it usually works,(things get expensive), in 1988, the bailiff permit was $50.00 per year and when I left the profession as the association had been recognized by the provincial government as a profession, the yearly fees had progressed up to $3,500.00 per year!

(As a Bailiff I accasionnally was called upon to execute court orders and had to seize houses and later on I had to auction them off. I was not a Broker then!).

For my family’s sake, Wife and four kids, I moved on and pursued a Plumbing and Heating trade Diploma plus I Worked in construction for more a minimum of 4,000 declared work hours! I Got my Degree and Licanse in Brokerage and joined the Nachi family in 2005. Ran twice for a seat at the National Assembly in Quebec Provincial Legislature and after the process, went back to Inspecting ang Brokerage.
Boy I must say that I feel blessed to be part of NACHI. I have a passion for home inspections.

Thank you Nick and the gang!

The Best for all in the coming holidays and years!
Beauchemin, Marc-Andre - BMAinspection.com

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Great information well explained thanks … Roy

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"So I guess that any group other than ACHI and including INACHI are “mills” in your esteemed opinion…Interesting!!"

My government didn’t fund INACHI and INACHI didn’t use those funds to turn around and threaten and defame every Home Inspector in Canada.

HOW MANY INSPECTORS ARE THERE IN CANADA?
HOW MANY INSPECTIONS ARE COMPLETED / YEAR?
HOW MANY OF THOSE INSPECTIONS LEAD TO MINOR / MAJOR CLIENT COMPLAINTS?

Still waiting . . . . . . .:roll: