Originally Posted By: rbliven This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
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I spent $1,000 in advertising, $500 on mailings, hundreds on brochures and business cards, setup a web site, gave away 14 free inspection, and yellow pages listing will cost me another few hundred. When I see a 4-sale sign, I drop off my brochure. I think my marketing plan is better then average. If you don't get the calls, you can't force someone into using your services. 100 inspections by the time we are forced into licensing is impossible from my point of view.
That leaves me with only two option. Place myself into slavery until I reach 100 inspections, or attend a 100 hour inspection school. Spending $4,000 is the lesser of two evils. Besides 100 hrs. in the classroom will take care of my continuing education credits for the next four years. Since things are slow, this free time will allow me to pick up other licenses and certificates.
Originally Posted By: rhutchinson1 This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Hello, all! I, too, am a member of the CNY NACHI Chapter and attended the latest meeting on September 16th. I also got a little concerned when Joe Mahr mentioned that he is the only NY State Licensed School for Home Inspection. Not that I doubt this at all, but stop and think about what he actually said. He said that his school is the only New York State Licensed Home Inspection School. This does not mean that his school is the ONLY school authorized to teach the new curriculum required by the state of NY. That curriculum has not even been instituted yet. I finished, this year, the 300 Hour Master Home Inspection Course through the American Home Inspection Institute (AHIT). I have been in contact with them and they have been very active and successful in getting approved for the states approvals; even Texas which has the hardest approval for schools. They told me that they have not seen ANY New York State applications for approved Home Inspection Schools. They have not even seen the approved curriculum. They doubt that ANYONE, as far as schools, has seen this documentation. They are waiting for the state and when the information is available, they will be busy getting the required approval. I have completed the Distance Learning Course and have been going with Simon Dean Inspections as a ride-along for actual field experience. I have completed one paid Home Inspection. I know that what I have, as far as experience, will not be enough for New York State licensing, but I just wanted you all to know where, I, the new Home Inspector, is coming from. My advice to anyone is to NOT jump the gun and pay ANY money, especially $4000.00, for any Home Inspection Schooling until we find out the schools that will be come approved. I have no doubt that AHIT will be approved, including their Distance Learning. I have already spent $2600.00 on this and not going to spend anymore with another school until I hear the facts. At most, I will probably need to go to a AHIT class and sit in to get the required “classroom” experience, if in fact this is what NYS settles on. So, take it easy, all of you new inspectors, and lets wait and see what the State comes out with a final word. Meanwhile, I am working on getting the proper marketing in place. I am not going to let the State or anyone else take away my zest for doing a Home Inspection Business. Let’s go GET THEM!!
Originally Posted By: lungar This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Robert;
No one seems to believe me, I have said it before and I will say it again, there are no schools any ware that are certified by the state of NEW YORK to teach a home inspection course for licensing period. Robert you have the right idea, wait till the state gives the green light and then go from there. I no everyone is upset but when one deals with the state or any Govt, agency one must wait till they are ready.
Originally Posted By: jfarsetta This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Robert,
NY State may acceopt previous training as an acceptable schooling, provided there is parity between what is proposed, and what you took. I have no doubt that AHIT is on top of things. Keep doing your inspections. Make contacts. Offer to inspect fellow NY NACHI inspector homes for $1 each. Same for you, Lenny. DO whatever you can to reach the $100 inspection mark. Just follow an SOP. $1 consitiutes a fee-paid inspection
You guys can doi it!
Richard offers some sound advice on the matter. All should check out any school they attend and get in writing that the course they are spending their hard earned money on is indeed (currently)approved by the DOS to qualify as acceptable and DOS recognized HI training, as per the Home Inspection Licensing Act here in NY State.
-- Joe Farsetta
Illigitimi Non Carborundum
"Dont let the bastards grind you down..."
"The training is recognized by New York State by Licensing ABITCO as the only New York Home Inspection Training School in the state."
Who or what is ABITCO?
ABITCO is American Building Inspection and Training Co., Inc. This company has been in the Home Inspection Business for 21 years and has been providing Home Inspector Training since 1995. They have a license to teach Home Inspectors issued by The State University of New York, Bureau of Propritary School Supervision. Check out their web site at www.abitcoinc.com. or contact the DOE web site for confirmation.
Originally Posted By: lungar This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Hi! Blaine;
NO ONE OR ANY SCHOOL IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE TO TEACH HOME INSPECTION
COURSES FOR LICENSING AS OF THIS TIME PERIOD.
Mr Mahr should tell it like it is, not the way he likes to think it is.
It’s very misleading to someone wanting education in the home inspection field for licensing purposes. There will also be schools with lower pricing than his, this I am almost sure of.
Originally Posted By: jfarsetta This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Mr Mahr has asked the ESOP to look into my activities as Director of Professional Development for NACHI. The question came about after I questioned the accuracy of the verbiage on ABITCOs website, and the claims he made during the CNY meeting.
I have stepped back from the issue, and have forwarded Mr. Mahr's complaint to the ED, President, MAB, and ESOP for a ruling.
I believe the issue is one of spirit, and not technicalities in verbiage or skirting the issue.
The bottom line is that when an entity claims it is the only school in compliance with NY State licensing laws, my suggestion is to contact the Department of State, as they are the SOLE body in charge of accrediting schools who intend to tesch the HI curriculum.
Period.
-- Joe Farsetta
Illigitimi Non Carborundum
"Dont let the bastards grind you down..."
Originally Posted By: Blaine Wiley This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
I was hoping for an answer from Mr. Mahr. I was also hoping he would answer the same way Len did, for that is my understanding of the situation after speaking with someone at DOS.
Originally Posted By: lungar This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Hi! Joe;
You are totally correct, like I also said he is misleading anyone looking to get home inspection training for the purpose of licensing in New York.
ANYONE looking to become a home inspector in New York at this time who does not have the qualifications set by the state and cannot meet them by 01/01/06 should WAIT till the state approves the schools of there choice before taking any courses. WHY! because the state might not recognize them towards licensing credit, so you might be throwing your well earned money down the drain and have to take them over again at a Department of State Approved school.
Joe you Bill and I have said this many times, NOW for the last time and I hope they listen WAIT for a APPROVED DEPARTMENT of STATE school if you need training period!!!
Originally Posted By: jbushart This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Mr. Mahr,
The ESOP Committee has investigated your complaint and, as a result of that investigation, there have been some questions raised regarding some of the claims that have been made by you on your web site regarding a home inspection course that you are offering.
Your claims have appeared to some to be "misleading" and it would be helpful to the committee for you to explain them. If you are not comfortable doing so in this thread, please send me (or any other committee member) an email with your explanation so that it can be considered.
Originally Posted By: lungar This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
James;
Why are you telling Mr Mahr to send private emails to you???
I think everyone is entitled to know his responces since all New York inspectors are involved in this matter. The ESOP is involved because Mr Mahr has put in a complaint against Joe. #1 What was the outcome of the complaint against Joe before you start asking about his misleading statements on his school web site. #2 Since you claim to be on top of everything why did you basicly endorse his school on your first post about his school???
James,why do you let your mouth run wild or should I say keyboard before your brain kicks in. I just don’t get this,Mr Mahr is a new member and a vendor who brings a complaint against Joe for telling the truth about his misleading statements on his school web site. Its in black and white on this B/B yet you want him to send you info,what a joke!
Originally Posted By: jbushart This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
lungar wrote:
James;
Why are you telling Mr Mahr to send private emails to you???
I think everyone is entitled to know his responces since all New York inspectors are involved in this matter. The ESOP is involved because Mr Mahr has put in a complaint against Joe. #1 What was the outcome of the complaint against Joe before you start asking about his misleading statements on his school web site. #2 Since you claim to be on top of everything why did you basicly endorse his school on your first post about his school????????
James,why do you let your mouth run wild or should I say keyboard before your brain kicks in. I just don't get this,Mr Mahr is a new member and a vendor who brings a complaint against Joe for telling the truth about his misleading statements on his school web site. Its in black and white on this B/B yet you want him to send you info,what a joke!
Joe is right he is wrong END OF STORY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Len,
Mr. Mahr has filed a complaint with this committee. The investigation of the complaint is not necessarily a matter for an open forum, unless Mr. Mahr wishes to make it so. It is his option as to how to respond, as long as he does.
He may also choose not to respond in which case the committee will take its action based upon the facts that are available to it.
Originally Posted By: jbushart This post was automatically imported from our archived forum.
Len,
While I am not at liberty to discuss with you the details involved in Mr. Mahr's complaint, I will respond to your remarks concerning my previous post that you referred to.
The context of the discussion on the message board had to do with whether or not NACHI had any viable aleternatives to training options that were NOT dependent upon a particular vendor who employed a person who had verbally committed to rid his state of NACHI.
I had gone through the "NACHI Mall", item by item, and listed the available training resources contained there - one of which was Mr. Mahr's school, in which I repeated the claims that were written. This was, by no means, a personal endorsement. I was re-posting what had already been made a matter for record.
At any rate, Mr. Mahr's complaint (like anything brought before the Ethics Committee) will receive a thorough and unbiased review and a report of the findings will be made to NACHI's President, Blaine Wiley. If he feels that it is something that should be made public, it will be done so by him. Not the Ethics Committee.
Hello, all! I, too, am a member of the CNY NACHI Chapter and attended the latest meeting on September 16th. I also got a little concerned when Joe Mahr mentioned that he is the only NY State Licensed School for Home Inspection. Not that I doubt this at all, but stop and think about what he actually said. He said that his school is the only New York State Licensed Home Inspection School. This does not mean that his school is the ONLY school authorized to teach the new curriculum required by the state of NY. That curriculum has not even been instituted yet. I finished, this year, the 300 Hour Master Home Inspection Course through the American Home Inspection Institute (AHIT). I have been in contact with them and they have been very active and successful in getting approved for the states approvals; even Texas which has the hardest approval for schools. They told me that they have not seen ANY New York State applications for approved Home Inspection Schools. They have not even seen the approved curriculum. They doubt that ANYONE, as far as schools, has seen this documentation. They are waiting for the state and when the information is available, they will be busy getting the required approval. I have completed the Distance Learning Course and have been going with Simon Dean Inspections as a ride-along for actual field experience. I have completed one paid Home Inspection. I know that what I have, as far as experience, will not be enough for New York State licensing, but I just wanted you all to know where, I, the new Home Inspector, is coming from. My advice to anyone is to NOT jump the gun and pay ANY money, especially $4000.00, for any Home Inspection Schooling until we find out the schools that will be come approved. I have no doubt that AHIT will be approved, including their Distance Learning. I have already spent $2600.00 on this and not going to spend anymore with another school until I hear the facts. At most, I will probably need to go to a AHIT class and sit in to get the required “classroom” experience, if in fact this is what NYS settles on. So, take it easy, all of you new inspectors, and lets wait and see what the State comes out with a final word. Meanwhile, I am working on getting the proper marketing in place. I am not going to let the State or anyone else take away my zest for doing a Home Inspection Business. Let’s go GET THEM!! 