It’s really a moot point. They made the law and choose not to follow it. This is nothing new in government.
I found this out many years ago working on eliminating asbestos in aircraft manufacture. The Feds circumvented the law for military aircraft.
Mike, good luck on getting your renewal date extended. They will have to write a law for that!!LOL
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Joe or mike so you guys know when the next home inspection board meeting is? I’ve tried to find info on such things but maybe I’m looking in the wrong place… thanks!
I forgot to right it down. It’s in December. I’ll post it when I find out.
Are you on the notification list?
https://visitor.r20.constantcontact.com/manage/optin?v=001dCD0S6IuBsZhrwqERmk1h5ZqoztABpghRipMwhujjk6pbAXidkHzz_6ggOgHh6bgcxFgAErPa8LOZ_miy923epsPE1O4haZfax4rHKava3iuCcqhJND3dz-OGnzSqjbNY2vmExeaA4avkmTzxlLw6eCizbw5sXWY033-N4kxq78%3D
Also try this and look for newsroom:
https://www.com.ohio.gov/default.aspx
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Thanks mike, yes I’m on the email list.
In all my experience growing up in Chicago and now living in the great state of Ohio where I was born, I’m not surprised at how local government operates. They are all the same. They can never get there s__t together. It’s no wonder why most all campaign for those positions, for the benefits. Once they’re in they have it made. There’s no accountability. If we inspectors operated like government, well, you know.
The Board’s next scheduled meeting is December 19, 2019 at 10:00 a.m.
As for getting on an email list to get updates on the Board,
email this lady asking her to be placed on the list for updates and meetings for the Board of Home Inspectors.
debora.dixon@com.state.oh.us
Unfortunately (and by design), those other links provided by the State to keep updated are AFTER-THE-FACT updates.
OHIO HOME INSPECTOR BOARD MEETING DATES for 2020
Verne Riffe Tower
77 S. High Street,
22nd Floor Columbus,
Ohio 43215
January 30
April 15
July 15
October 28
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They failed to notify me of the CSI filing. As a result I was denied a right to be heard by them.
For everyone still wondering about Ohio Licensing requirements and implementation dates, I sent an email directly to Ed Woodruff, the Ohio Division of Real Estate’s attorney, specifically asking for clarification. Here is his response I received this morning (Dec. 10th). I sent him a follow up email with a few more questions as well. I will share that info when I receive his response. For now, here is his initial response:
Good morning. This is email message is in response to your email message from yesterday. The only home inspector application that the Division has currently published is the grandfathered license application. The following is a link to the Division’s website for an Ohio grandfathered license application https://www.com.ohio.gov/documents/real_HIGFLicenseApplication.pdf. Please take a look at 5 page of the pdf in the link for the requirements. If you find you meet the requirements, then I recommend you review the pdf closely and complete the application as soon as possible.
If you find you don’t meet the requirements for a grandfathered license, then the general requirements for an initial license can be found in Ohio Revised Code Section 4764.07 http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/4764.07v1. There is no initial license application I can forward to you at this time. I will try to summarize the current licensing situation as it affects initial license applicants.
On October 11, 2019, the Division made an announcement (please see below a copy of the text from the announcement). The Division announced the extension because initial applicants, those who did not qualify under the grandfathering provision, had no possible way to satisfy the license requirements by November 1st. Two specific requirements for initial applicants (education and experience) as directed by the Legislature required the Ohio Home Inspector Board to promulgate rules specifying or elaborating on these two requirements. The Board held multiple day long meetings throughout August to come up with the tentative rules. Those rules are now being reviewed by the Lt. Governor office and in the very near future by a committee of legislators. Those rules could be sent back to the Board for additional review or the tentative rules could be approved by these two groups. Either way, the rules would not be in place by November 1, 2019. On Monday, October 28, 2019 at the Ohio Home Inspector Board meeting, it was announced the new licensing deadline is April 5, 2020. As of this date, individuals conducting Ohio home inspections for compensation will need to be licensed with the Division.
This situation affecting initial applicants is separate or distinct from those applying under the grandfathering provision. These are different sets of requirements (grandfathering requirements vs initial license applicant requirements). The extension announced on the October 11th did not affect the end of the grandfathering period, which is scheduled to end on January 10, 2020 (120 days following the last Board member appointment). The Division currently continues to accept and review grandfathered license applications.
Since the previously mentioned, tentative rules could change following the Lt. Governor’s or the committee’s review, the Division has not published any initial license applications. No education providers have received any Division approval for their home inspector education offerings (qualifying education or continuing education). Unfortunately, I have no timetable as to when their review process will end. The best advice I can currently give you is to continue to monitor the Division’s website for program updates. As the review process comes to its conclusion, the Division will release updates and applications on its website. Please email me if you have any questions regarding this email message or have any problems opening the links. Thank you.
A few of the follow up questions I had for him was about the Nov. 1st deadline being extended because applicants couldn’t comply with education requirements by then. The original law states that the education requirements had to have been satisfied prior to April 2019, not Nov. 1st, something that would generally be impossible unless you are a time traveler. And since there were no legal training requirements prior to April 2019, how can one be responsible for acquiring training prior to a date in the past? Also if a current inspector doesn’t meet grandfathering rules or misses the deadline, how can that inspector begin working towards acquiring the training required under the new licensing provisions, if those rules are still being held up in government process?
We’ll see what his follow up answers are.
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/4764.04v1
Added by 132nd General Assembly File No. TBD, SB 255, §1, eff. 4/5/2019.
“The governor, president of the senate, and speaker of the house of representatives shall make the initial appointments to the board not later than ninety days after the effective date of this section. Of the initial appointments to the board, the governor shall appoint one member to a term ending one year after the effective date of this section, two members to a term ending three years after that date, and two members to a term ending five years after that date. The president of the senate shall appoint one member to a term ending two years after that date, and the speaker of the house of representatives shall appoint one member to a term ending four years after that date.”
Seating the last board member outside of the time required by law does not change the grandfathering period. Unless rules only apply when they are convenient.
You should note that the last two board members had no input or voted on the new rules. Where was the consumer protection? The process was and is flawed and most likely illegal.
His answer will be just go ahead and perform inspections (illegally). No one at the Division has the right to allow individuals to violate Ohio law.
Here was his reply to my follow up email for what it’s worth:
November 1, 2019 was the date individuals performing home inspections for clients for compensation had to be licensed with the Division. The Division recognized the potential issue with a shortage of home inspectors and the impossibility of initial license applicants not being able to satisfy rules that were not in place and extended the deadline from November 1, 2019 to April 5, 2020. So, we have previously demonstrated flexibility regarding the requirements, and the Division and the Superintendent will be evaluating situation and the April 5, 2020 deadline as it nears. Individuals can perform home inspections for compensation for clients without a license until April 4, 2020. After that date, they will need to be licensed by the Division as currently constructed. The best advice I can suggest at this point is to continue to monitor the Division’s website for program changes or updates.
Good morning,
The December 19, 2019, Ohio Home Inspector Board meeting has been cancelled. Please contact Staff Attorney Ed Woodruff at 614-466-5042 or Edward.woodruff@com.state.oh.us if you have any questions.
Thank you,
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The meeting got postponed until 1-30-20
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License implementation was pushed back again, new start date will now be July 1st 2020.
Everyone signed up for email updates from the Dept. of Commerce should be receiving an email tomorrow with this information.
So we’re going to get this whole year for free since our license means nothing?
Doubt if the SOP is ready by then. Big fight ahead.
To answer your question - No.
I’m not sure about you but I’ve been advertising that I’m a licensed home inspector, so for me, and certainly for those looking for an inspector, it does mean something.
It also means that if you’re doing home inspections and you’re not licensed, you have until July 1st before you need to either 1. get licensed. 2. find another job. 3. break the law and suffer the consequences after you get caught, that is unless they bump it out again.
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No. You had to be licensed by Nov. 1 last year. Not enforcing the law doesn’t change the dates.
I haven’t seen anything that allows the Division to extend anything. It is hard to obey the law when we have no SOP.
I hold a license but right now it means nothing if they are letting unlicensed home inspectors to perform home inspections. I better get a new renewal date once this is figured out.
Kevin
Where did you hear this? Sounds like inside information. Did you know that I am very good at public records requests?
I haven’t received this information.
Did you hear about my anti-trust move today?
Here’s the cut and paste from the constant contact notification today. Pdf uploaded too!
ODREPL 20200224.pdf (208.7 KB)
Thanks Mike!