QOD for 05/30/04 (electrical)

Originally Posted By: gbeaumont
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Picture courtesy of Jeff Pope’s "I never see bad panels series "


Hi to all,

Here is todays question which will start a week of electrical questions.

as it's its a holiday I'm going easy on you all today

Regards

Gerry


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Originally Posted By: kmcmahon
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I think I may have this one correct…but I cheated sort of …I remember Jeff posting this not too long ago! icon_wink.gif



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Originally Posted By: evandeven
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None of the above…inconclusive statements.


I will explain later.



Eric Van De Ven


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Originally Posted By: rmoewe
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I can’t belive 21 percent got this wrong. That’s at the time I saw it. icon_eek.gif


Originally Posted By: jpope
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Ooops!


I think I missed this one ![icon_redface.gif](upload://f7DX2EWhmUfsDapWaYT3oJHMCj1.gif)


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Originally Posted By: rmoewe
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How did the two people that said it looked alright, pass the test? icon_eek.gif


They should go back to their HI school, and demand and refund. This is a basic safety concern, even if they don’t know what type of panel that it is. There are too many other things wrong with this panel,to not call for a sparky.


Originally Posted By: evandeven
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Quote:

How did the two people that said it looked alright, pass the test?

I was one of the ones that picked number one, as a joke. Gerry was probably the other.

Now, to go back to my post above.
Answer 1 is just wrong.
Answer 2 is partially correct.
Answer 3 is vague and just because it is a Zinsco panel, there is no reason to fail it for that alone.
Answer 4 is partially correct, but not really.

How would I write this up in a report?
The panel is missing knock out spacers which are exposing the buss bar. This may result in shock or serious injury in the event an object is inserted into the panel. The panel is not labeled properly. The panel cover door is missing. Due to the age of the components involved, a panel door cover may no longer be available and therefore, panel replacement may be necessary. A qualified electrician should be called to determine the repair methods and costs involved prior to purchase of the home.

One day, and it may be when I sell my home, some home inspector is going to recommend replacement of my Zinsco panel. When that happens, he had better have proof that there is something wrong with it.

I will not respond to any Zinsco replacement posts as I have already made my position clear in previous posts.


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Eric Van De Ven
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Originally Posted By: tallen
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For the record …I always ask for further evaluation and NEVER say a panel needs replacement --that is a Sparky’s call not mine!!



I have put the past behind me,


where , however, it now sits, making rude remarks.


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30 Oct 2003-- 29 Nov2005

Originally Posted By: rmoewe
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But the panel is labeled, see the words plug, A/C, Lite. Now is that a Bud Lite? icon_biggrin.gif


Originally Posted By: evandeven
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Quote:
But the panel is labeled, see the words plug, A/C, Lite. Now is that a Bud Lite?


Yes, but only the person who labeled it can decipher the code! ![icon_biggrin.gif](upload://iKNGSw3qcRIEmXySa8gItY6Gczg.gif)


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Eric Van De Ven
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Originally Posted By: tallen
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icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif



I have put the past behind me,


where , however, it now sits, making rude remarks.


www.whiteglovehomeinspections.net

30 Oct 2003-- 29 Nov2005

Originally Posted By: roconnor
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I think the “best” answer clearly would be:


(C) "Panel is showing obvious defects and is Zinsco brand which should be further evaluated"

The answer does not say it should be "replaced" ... only further evaluated ... ![icon_wink.gif](upload://ssT9V5t45yjlgXqiFRXL04eXtqw.gif)


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I am absolutely amazed sometimes by how much thought goes into doing things wrong

Originally Posted By: gbeaumont
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Robert realy nailed it, it is the best of the applicable answers. 2 of the others are partially correct, but none of them are really in the style that an inspector would report.

The point of the question was to get past the obvious problem (the second answer) and study the panel a little more closely ![icon_wink.gif](upload://ssT9V5t45yjlgXqiFRXL04eXtqw.gif)

regards

Gerry


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Originally Posted By: Ryan Jackson
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What are these “obvious defects”?



Ryan Jackson, Salt Lake City

Originally Posted By: jpope
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Ryan Jackson wrote:
What are these "obvious defects"?


(1) The openings in the dead front cover are considered "defects."

(2) Zinsco panels are inherently problematic and in need of evaluation beyond that which can be provided by an HI.


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Originally Posted By: gbeaumont
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Regards

Gerry


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Gerry Beaumont
NACHI Education Committee
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"Education is a journey, not a destination"

Originally Posted By: jpope
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Hey Gerry,


You are correct about the cover, however, I took it off for the picture ![icon_redface.gif](upload://f7DX2EWhmUfsDapWaYT3oJHMCj1.gif)

Guess I should have told you


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Jeff Pope
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Originally Posted By: evandeven
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Quote:
6, its a Zinsco (for Eric)

Arghhhhhhhhhh!!!!! ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif) ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif)

Here are some other deficiencies.
Pointed screws used to secure the dead front cover.
100 amp service may be too small for this home.

There are plenty of reasons to recommend an electrician look at the panel. Being a Zinsco is the least of them. We haven't even pulled the cover to see what goodies are inside!


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Eric Van De Ven
Owner/Inspector
Magnum Inspections Inc.
I get paid to be suspicious when there is nothing to be suspicious about!
www.magnuminspections.com

Originally Posted By: jpope
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evandeven wrote:
We haven't even pulled the cover to see what goodies are inside!


Oh, but we have ![icon_biggrin.gif](upload://iKNGSw3qcRIEmXySa8gItY6Gczg.gif)

http://www.nachi.org/bbsystem/viewtopic.php?t=3236


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Jeff Pope
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(661) 212-0738

Originally Posted By: evandeven
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If they had the spacer plates on there, those mud daubers wouldn’t have taken up residence! icon_biggrin.gif icon_biggrin.gif



Eric Van De Ven


Owner/Inspector


Magnum Inspections Inc.


I get paid to be suspicious when there is nothing to be suspicious about!


www.magnuminspections.com