Safety issue?

Originally Posted By: jonofrey
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I seem to recall outlets like these pose a safety issue but I can’t reference the code, IRC or NEC. Anybody know?


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Originally Posted By: gbeaumont
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Hi Jon, I am not sure that it is actually a code violation, maybe one of our electrical “yodas” can give us the definative answer, but obviously there is a safety concern that little Jimmy might deside to try the principles of arc welding with the family silverware in the outlet. I would as a minimum suggest to any buyer with small children (or dumb teenagers) that temporary covers be fitted to outlets of this type.


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Originally Posted By: jonofrey
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Thanks Gerry. I seem to recall something about the potential for appliance cords to hang over the edge making it attractive for small children to pull on.


John


Originally Posted By: gbeaumont
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Of course outlets are specificaly prohibited from being mounted horizontaly in the work surface itself.

Hope this helps

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Originally Posted By: jmyers
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John,


The position of the receptacle is not a code violation that I know of. There is nothing that I know of that would prohibit them from being mounted horizontally, other than it looks like SH**. Joe H is correct about it has to be GFCI protected, mounting...I am not so sure about. I would like to have it mounted from the start and I really don't know why anyone would install them without it being mounted to begin with, receptacle or not.

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Quote:
"There is nothing that I know of that would prohibit them from being mounted horizontally, other than it looks like SH**. "


When NEC states:

406.4(E), receptacles installed to serve countertops cannot be installed in the countertop in the face-up position because liquid, dirt, and other foreign material can enter the receptacle.

well ? ![icon_mrgreen.gif](upload://tbe1CncrrOs48cXpHvziOT8r0T3.gif)

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Originally Posted By: jmyers
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Gerry,


Surely you know that I meant on the cabinet or a wall, not on a floor or counter top. You silly. ![icon_biggrin.gif](upload://iKNGSw3qcRIEmXySa8gItY6Gczg.gif)

BTW....this should be under the electrical topic, right!

Joe Myers


Originally Posted By: gbeaumont
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Hi Joe


I knew you knew that, but there never was a good reaon not to bust you, now was there ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif) ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif)

yes this should be in electrical, and your point is ???

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Originally Posted By: Gino Conner
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Just to expound a little on what Gerry said and for the info of others.


NEC 210.52C5X qualifies these receptacles a little further on islands and peninsulas. The receptacle pictured appears fine, but it could not have been more than 12 inches below the counter. Also, if there were more than 6 inches of counter overhang or a cabinet hanging above it at a height of 20 inches or less, the receptacle would not be allowed at all on the side. ![icon_cool.gif](upload://oPnLkqdJc33Dyf2uA3TQwRkfhwd.gif)


Originally Posted By: dbush
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Here in Joplin, MO the Building Inspector (city code) requires that an outlet be put at the end of the island just like it shows in the picture.



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Originally Posted By: Larry L Leesch
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In Texas, the state has adopted the IRC 2000 and the receptacle in question is not only a correct install but a required one for islands in new construction. Make sure that you check inside the cabinet as the wiring must be in conduit and it must be GFI protected.


Originally Posted By: Blaine Wiley
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And, If that island is more than 6’ long, many jurisdictions require a receptacle at each end.


I just ran into that the other day doing a new house while the AHJ was there. The island was 7'.