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see anything wrong here

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Jon,
Can you upload some larger photos? They are just a bit too small.

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Hi to all,

Jon, talk it through, what do you think may be wrong here?

Regards

Gerry

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panel not bonded,main service cable loose and resting on pipes,3 different brands of breakers

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Hi Jon,

Some details are a little hard to see from he pictures, but here are my thoughts.

  • panel not bonded, I cannot see any insulator between the grounding bus and the panel which makes me think that the bond is the screw holding the bus to the enclosure.
  • main service cable loose and resting on pipes, Agreed the conductors do not appear to be properly supported.
  • 3 different brands of breakers, Again hard to be sure, but I believe all those breakers are UL listed for the panel.

I hope this helps

Regards

Gerry

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What year is this house?
Is that a Siemens panel?

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Square D Arc Fault Check recall** (on breaker-blue button) **Catalogue #Q0115AFI… Date code CN-DN .

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Those aren’t the recalled breakers Jae.

I don’t think that panel is the service equipment. The SEC assembly may be poorly supported, but from those pictures, I don’t see much else. . .

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This is a recalled breaker. . .

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Look at the test button…Square D is much smaller…easy to see even on the small photos

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Just in case anyone needs a copy of my original recall post on the AFCI’s…here is a link to it…

http://www.nachi.org/forum/showpost.php?p=33784&postcount=1

AS for the wires on the copper pipe…poor angle kinda like the crocidile hunter and the baby thing…

The panel image…just can’t see the breakers good enough…but here is a list of crossmixing breakers…

The following panels will only accept breakers from the same manufacturer:

Cutler Hammer, Federal Pacific*,General Electric ( half size ) and Square D*

  • New challenger breakers are fitting into FPE’s and Cutler Hammer actually makes a UL approved Sq D Replacement Now.

The following circuit breakers may cross mix…defer to the manufacturer

American Switch, General Switch, Arrow hart, Murray ( crouse hinds ) Challenger ( sylvania ) , Seimens ( IRE, Gould ), General Electric ( full size only) and Westinghouse.

*NOTICE- only when the load center says they accept them…

And…I do have to question…and jeff stated it also…is this a Main Panel or a “Sub” panel…based on the image of the grounded and grounding terminations on different bars…not a problem in a sub panel…but in a main panel lets home they connect to each other in some fasion…great obervation Jeff…

P.S…Probably why the GREEN BONDING screw is sitting their…I would have CHUCKED it…if it was truly a “SUB” panel ( Remote Distribution Panel )

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Good catch, the cable looks like SER, so might be why the electrician took the time to install a ground bar, but not the time to install the bonding screw.

As for the ‘what is wrong’ fun, I have to dig for scraps since everyone else did a good job. OK, here is my one table crumb, the grounded conductor (“neutral”) is on a double pole breaker, and not re-identified as an ungrounded conductor (“hot”).

Tom

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lol…well I would have said that but it did not rear its head until the 2002 NEC was adopted…so if the installation is before the 2002 NEC was adopted the re-identification is not required and the code is not retroactive…so technically it could stay…

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Gotta yank away my one and only scrap.

:frowning:

tom

:stuck_out_tongue:

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lol…no actually in the SAFETY world…it made the NEC/NFPA because it was identified as a safety concern…so still a good SCRAP…:slight_smile:

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thanks guys for all your help

ps- the house is 3 years old